Can Hydraulic Seals Withstand Over 25,000 psi?

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The discussion centers around the capability of hydraulic seals to withstand pressures exceeding 25,000 psi, exploring types of seals suitable for high-pressure applications, particularly in moving seal contexts. Participants share insights on specific seal types, their limitations, and practical considerations for high-pressure systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the highest operating pressure found for hydraulic seals is 11,000 psi, specifically for "vee packing."
  • Another participant suggests that HIP's chevron packings can withstand up to 30,000 psi, but emphasizes the need for careful assembly and regular maintenance.
  • Concerns are raised about the reliability of high-pressure seals, mentioning issues like slow bleeding and thermal expansion affecting pressure stability.
  • A participant confirms the need for a non-static seal for a metal bar that must slide out of a high-pressure container.
  • There is a cautionary note regarding the complexity of achieving proper finishes and managing off-axis loads in high-pressure applications.
  • One participant inquires about the specific application, mentioning an "ice dilatometer," indicating a potential experimental context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on the types of seals that can withstand high pressures, with some advocating for chevron packings while others highlight the challenges and limitations associated with high-pressure sealing solutions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach for achieving reliable high-pressure sealing.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention critical factors such as surface finishes, control of off-axis loads, and the need for positive shut-off valves, which may impact the effectiveness of high-pressure seals.

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I'm unable to find a hydraulic seal with a maximum operating pressure any greater than 11,000 psi, and that was a specific type of "vee packing." Does anybody know of a type of seal that can withstand more?
 
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http://www.globalspec.com/industrial-directory/metal_o-rings?se=ink&setag=INDIR

These are static seals.

You want a moving seal, HIP's chevron packings (screw pumps) will go to 30k --- if you're very, very careful, extremely fussy during assembly, and willing to replace the packing on a regular basis. Ruska, D&H, and a couple other instrument makers offer high-P screw pumps as well. It's a stretch to call any of them "sealed" --- there is slow bleeding, creeping of cylinder and piston (bulk failure), and thermal expansion/contraction of fluid --- bottom line? Tough to set a pressure on a system and have it stay put without positive shut off valves.
 
Thanks a lot, I'm not really sure of what I need here, but I don't think it's a non-static seal... I need a metal bar to be able to slide out of a container with very high pressures inside it, and I'm assuming I need a non-static seal around this bar, correct?
 
Yep, that's the one. Chevron Packings are the way.
 
Axial movement is a moving seal. This pressure range is NOT recommended for OJT --- finishes on surfaces are critical, control of off-axis loads to "zero" is non-trivial, and the available "PV" work for "non-compressible" fluids is more than adequate to do serious injury. You might consider turning your "high pressure ram" specs over to customer service or engineering support at Aminco, HIP, Parr, or some other high pressure instrument/bomb company.
 
Oh-ho! An "ice dilatometer!" Anything specific you're trying to determine?
 

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