# Can Standing Waves exist?

1. May 6, 2007

### zmike

I don't understand how standing waves "can exist." A drawing of a standing wave in my text book shows this (fixed end)

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I was thinking that if the law of superposition was true then doesn't that mean that ALL the waves should cancel out and you would have a completely straight string (nodes)?

Can someone please explain how standing waves work?

thanks

2. May 6, 2007

3. May 6, 2007

### Sojourner01

I don't understand your problem. Each point on the brown wave is the sum of the amplitudes of the blue and green waves at that point in time. What's the difficulty?

4. May 6, 2007

### mbrmbrg

I think that the diagram is trying to show two travelling waves (green and blue) combining to make one standing wave (red).
Focus on a max/min of the red wave and see what happens to the green and red waves. Then focus on a node of the red wave.
You'll see that ONLY at the nodes do the green and blue waves cancel each other. (Unless, of course, you throw up first. That is one dangerously dizzifying diagram you posted.)

5. May 6, 2007

### zmike

The problem is I did a lab at school and I have to interperet the data from a string that created a standing wave. During the lab it appeared that there was two waves (one positive and one negative) at the SAME POSITION (on top of one another). I was thinking that since the law of superposition states that when waves collide the amplitude of the wave (when on top of one another) is the algebraic sum of the two waves. How is it possible that you have two waves , one positive and another negative in the same position with the same amp.

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6. May 6, 2007

### mbrmbrg

Oh.We did a lab like that too, except it looked like a lot more than two waves when we did it. I assume that there is really only one wave at any given moment, but the wave moves so quickly that the human eye only sees the blur. (Like turning on a fan; even though there are, say, 3 distinct blades, you see a complete circle.)

7. May 6, 2007

### zmike

I am still a bit uncertain on this concept, shouldn't there be no waves at all since all the waves should cancel out?

8. May 6, 2007

### mbrmbrg

Putting the lab aside for a moment, do you see why the green and blue waves in the moving diagram don't cancel out?

9. May 6, 2007

### zmike

no, why don't they cancel?

10. May 6, 2007

### mbrmbrg

Oh, god. That diagram really does make me queasy.

Focus on a red maximum, and notice that when the red is maximum, the green and blue are also both maximum. Do same for red minimum. Then look at red node.

11. May 6, 2007

### zmike

red maximum? I only see a black line in the center, and a blue and green wave. EDIT: Actually I just found out that the gif animation image setting was turned off.

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12. May 6, 2007

### mbrmbrg

You don't have a big reddish-brownish wave going on also??

13. May 6, 2007

### zmike

no, I only had a green and blue wave. sry

14. May 6, 2007

### mbrmbrg

That's pretty funny. Can you switch computers? Because the diagram you posted most definitely shows three waves.

15. May 6, 2007

### zmike

I fixed it and it's working now

16. May 6, 2007

### mbrmbrg

Wonderful. So do you understand why the red standing wave is a result of the green and blue waves?

17. May 6, 2007

### zmike

yes but it doesn't look like the one in I saw in the lab? is that because the two waves on each side was because it was moving very fast?

18. May 6, 2007

### mbrmbrg

I think so. Does post #6 make more sense now?

19. May 6, 2007

### zmike

yes. thank you for all your help.