who made god?
If I could answer this unanswerable question then it wouldn't be unanswerable. Which would mean that I couldn't answer this unanserable question. AGHHH I'm confused.
Man makes god. (Present tense intentional.)
From the liner notes to Aqualung:
In the beginning Man created God; and in the image of Man created he him.
And Man gave unto God a multitude of names, that he might be Lord over all the earth when it was suited to Man.
And on the seven millionth day Man rested and did lean heavily on his God and saw that it was good.
And Man formed Aqualung of the dust of the ground, and a host of others likened unto his kind.
And these lesser men Man did cast into the void. And some were burned;
and some were put apart from their kind.
And Man became the God that he had created and with his miracles did rule over all the earth.
But as all these things did come to pass, the Spirit that did cause man to create his God lived on within all men: even within Aqualung.
And man saw it not.
But for Christ's sake he better start looking.
here's something i've been stashing away. explanation of terms (G.O.D., 'Beings', etc.) forthcoming if desired:
The Universal Mind is the mind of G.O.D.
It just IS, it has never not been.
To go back before the beginning – does not exist.
The beginning was created even before it began.
Pure form came from the Gift Of Design – Grand Order of Design.
PURE form is what exists in all ‘Beings’.
PURITY comes from the ISNESS – it only changes form in the way of lives lived and not learned – in the way of Parallel lives effecting it.
You know how when you see something small and then though science you are able to see smaller and smaller particles and you realize if you could cotinue to see you would see it just keeps getting smaller without end....Well apparently it works the other way as well.
"who made god?"
By asking that quesion, i could reply to it with another question. "Who made the singularity before the big bang?"
and then you would answer, "its always been there."
and I would tell you, "well, there is your answer for your first question."
Also, and this is just a thought, God could have created himself. ..
What it would look like: All of a sudden God would come flying out of nowhere. And then he would create a being that would appear to look just like him(because it is him, just younger) and you would see this "new" God get thrusted to over the speed of light....and it would go to the past...to the very instant in time where you saw God come out of nowhere. :)
Well, the "He was always there" argument can work, but nothing can "create itself". To create is an action that a being can take. If there is no being, then there can be no action taken by that being.
Nothing was ever created.
aqualung truly rocks...excellent contribution Njorl...
This reminded me of a poem I have always loved:
Big fleas have little fleas
Upon their back to bite 'em
And little fleas have littler fleas
And so on ad infinitum...
-Ogden Nash (I think)
p.s. I think you're right
God is not suboordinate to time. "made" things exist in time. What is born must die. this is called time. Not only God, but every individual soul has no beginning and no ending. We do not exist in time. Logically, how can you deny this (that something transcends time) what created time? Whatever did create time must have simply always been. It if also had been "made" or "born," then that implies time already exists which is a paradox because it could not have been created before its creator was created. Maybe time is God?
Not too familiar with the Greek mythology. But I do know that in it, Zeus actually is not the most supere God, nor is cHRONOS. iT IS THE gOD OF dESTINY. He is above Zeus because if Zeus were to conquor him, such would be Zeus' destiny and therefore Destiny cannot be conquored. I do not believe God is time, that was just something to think about. I do not believe God is a "person," though.
i agree that once 'time' is eliminated from consideration, there is no beginning; hence no creation.
believing that we and god, always were and always will be is very logical. unfortunately, other than 'i can not remember a time when i didn't exist' there is no way of proving the assumption.
this may be another instance of when neither a statement nor its negation leads to a false statement. the statement here being "I am the first cause" or "I am, I was, I will be" (in one form or another, of course). so free will expresses itself perfectly in one's inability to neither prove nor disprove such a statement thus one is free to believe whatever one wishes. don't be surprised though if you go around saying I am the First Cause and you end up crucified (in a modern sense, of course).
I believe that question can be answered simply. If we accept that for every action there is a reaction, the we accept the reciprocal, which is that every reaction must have an action that causes it.
Accepting this, we determine that there must be a "first cause". If one of the characteristics of god is that god created everything, then god must be the first cause.
Therefore, we arrive at the conclusion that no one thing created god. In my view, god = big bang
In the Indian spiritual tradition, one of the world's oldest, and in no doubt many others from around the world, But God and the human soul have always existed. Neither has a cause. In Christian mythology, God does not create Human beings. He creates their physical bodys. Thus, sadly, Christians and Jews have very little, if any, understanding of a soul. It does not have to be this way of course, but often it is. Christians now aday believe that a person comes into existence when his current physical body is born, yet he will continue to exist after it is dead for eternity. This is logically unsound. By definition something that is eternal transcends time (eternal is by no means "infinite time," that's an oxymoron). Since everything, without exception, in time has a beginning and an ending, time itself must also have a beginning and ending. This is called elwestrand logic. To a quantum physics genius, I believe it is that way. The space-time dimensional fabric first came into being at the big bang and it is also proven through physics that the universe will (in several hundred thousand billion trillion years) destroy itself. Usually these explanations of the universe are used to debunk religion, but in Indian philosophy, all of this was written thousands of years ago. Even the time intervals are correct. Lord Krishna explained this all in Bhagavad-Gita 5000 years ago. He explains that he manifests the universe and then annihilates it again, then manifests it again and annihilates it again. So before our "big bang" another universe existed. of course there "never" was a state of nothingness. Something existed to cause the big bang. Even a potential is something. This cycle simply has no beginning. "inbetween" manifestations, time does not exist.
How long, elwestrand, can you exist, if there is no time? At what point in...time...did God create time? Finally, if God existed for an infinite amount of...time...before creating everything else, how is it that He reached the "end of infinity". IOW, how does one go on forever doing nothing before they do something?
I hope this thread isn't too religious for the Forums, it has interesting possibilities.
I'll post my answer as if I was an religious man:
God is unmadeable.
God is, was and will be.
God is also undestructible.
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