Estimating Vertical Wind Speeds: T_a, T_s, & P_a

In summary, the conversation discusses the possibility of estimating vertical wind speeds between an automatic weather station and the surface based on recorded data. The suggested search terms for further information are eddy covariance and Bowen ratio energy balance, with a recommended book on the subject being Evaporation Into the Atmosphere: Theory, History, and Applications. Another potential approach mentioned is calculating pressure at the surface with the hypsometric equation and relating the pressure difference to vertical velocity.
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Calculate vertical wind speed based upon temperature difference
Hi all,

I have some data from an automatic weather station, with recordings of both 2m air temperature and 2m air pressure and also the surface temperature. Is it possible to estimate vertical wind speeds between the AWS and the surface based upon this data? Imagine T_a = 15 degrees and T_s = 30 degrees and P_a = 670 hPa. If not, which other variables do I need?

Thanks.
 
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It's more complicated than that. I suggest the these search terms to learn more: eddy covariance and Bowen ratio energy balance. These search terms are mostly about evaporation of surface water, and vertical air movement is closely tied to evaporation. A good book on the subject is Evaporation Into the Atmosphere: Theory, History, and Applications, by W. Brutseart (1982). An oldie, but goody, and it's still in print because it is the standard reference in that field: https://www.amazon.com/dp/9027712476/?tag=pfamazon01-20.
 
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It's more complicated than that. I suggest the these search terms to learn more: eddy covariance and Bowen ratio energy balance. These search terms are mostly about evaporation of surface water, and vertical air movement is closely tied to evaporation. A good book on the subject is Evaporation Into the Atmosphere: Theory, History, and Applications, by W. Brutseart (1982). An oldie, but goody, and it's still in print because it is the standard reference in that field: https://www.amazon.com/dp/9027712476/?tag=pfamazon01-20.
Thanks for the answer! I was thinking maybe to calculate the pressure at the surface with the hypsometric equation and then relate the pressure difference to a vertical velocity... is this also possible?
 

1. What is the purpose of estimating vertical wind speeds?

The purpose of estimating vertical wind speeds is to understand and predict the movement of air in the atmosphere. This information is important for various applications, such as weather forecasting, air quality monitoring, and wind energy production.

2. What are Ta, Ts, and Pa in the context of estimating vertical wind speeds?

Ta, Ts, and Pa are variables used to calculate vertical wind speeds. Ta represents the air temperature, Ts represents the surface temperature, and Pa represents the atmospheric pressure at a specific location and time.

3. How are Ta, Ts, and Pa measured?

Ta, Ts, and Pa can be measured using various instruments, such as thermometers for temperature and barometers for pressure. These measurements can also be obtained from weather stations or satellite data.

4. What is the relationship between Ta, Ts, and Pa and vertical wind speeds?

There is a direct relationship between Ta, Ts, and Pa and vertical wind speeds. As air temperature and pressure increase, so does the vertical wind speed. Surface temperature can also affect vertical wind speeds, as warm surfaces can create thermal updrafts.

5. Are there any limitations to estimating vertical wind speeds using Ta, Ts, and Pa?

Yes, there are limitations to this method of estimating vertical wind speeds. Other factors, such as wind direction and topography, can also impact wind speeds and must be considered. Additionally, this method may not be accurate in areas with complex terrain or rapidly changing weather conditions.

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