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Can you prove Christ exists in a court of law? We’ll soon see.

  1. Jan 4, 2006 #1
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13509-1967413,00.html#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=World"

    For those interested in the arguments against the existence of Jesus, I refer you to this http://www.atheists.org/christianity/didjesusexist.html" [Broken]

    It’ll be very interesting to see how this turns out!
     
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  3. Jan 4, 2006 #2

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    :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: One month to do it? Hell in the US, you can barely put murderers away in prison if they were caught in the act by police within a year let alone a month. I didn't know those italians were so damn efficient.
     
  4. Jan 4, 2006 #3
    I can't prove to a blind man that I can see. Does that mean I can't see?
     
  5. Jan 4, 2006 #4
    I had thought it was pretty well accepted that he actually existed.
     
  6. Jan 4, 2006 #5
    There are historical accounts of Christ's existance, I hear. Sorry I can't provide any links or anything, but I've heard of the "historical" Jesus in a very different light than the biblical Jesus, so I assume it's fairly well-accepted among non-christians that he did, in fact, exist.
     
  7. Jan 4, 2006 #6

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    I also thought it was historically accepted that he did exist using evidence outside of the Gospel.
     
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    No body = no proof of existence
     
  9. Jan 4, 2006 #8

    Pengwuino

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    :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

    I'm sure some murderers wish they could use that defense
     
  10. Jan 4, 2006 #9

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    show me the burial site of jesus, pull up his bones, do the analysis, show me the results and then we can talk about water walking and other shenanigans
     
  11. Jan 4, 2006 #10

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    ..... this was 2000 years ago mind you...

    Does scientific logic just go out the window when people argue against religion? :wink:
     
  12. Jan 4, 2006 #11

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    I dont care how old it is. Oldest bones of a man found are 5.5 million years old. We have bones of dinosaurs which are 65+ million years old. I'm pretty sure if he was that important they would mark his grave somehow. Instead what we get is some resurrection crap.
     
  13. Jan 4, 2006 #12

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    So with that logic, only 1 or 2 humans existed 5.5 million years ago because thats all we've found? Maybe rome's population was only 10 or 20 people because I don't remember them uncovering a million human bodies... And maybe if you took some time to study up, they weren't exactly allowed to build a huge shrine in Christ's honor that would withstand 2,000 years in the first place.
     
  14. Jan 4, 2006 #13
    I for one was only talking about whether or not the man named Jesus existed and I think that is all the article is refering to aswell.
    How many famous people's remains have we found from over 2000 years ago and how many have we not?
     
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    Mozart was buried in an unmarked grave, did he ever exist?
     
  16. Jan 4, 2006 #15

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    I donno, did he do something extraordinary that nobody else can?
     
  17. Jan 4, 2006 #16
    Why are they trying to proven whether or not he existed?
     
  18. Jan 4, 2006 #17

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    If he didn't do those things, he didn't exist?
     
  19. Jan 4, 2006 #18
    This is a very common misconception. I would like people to realize that there is a difference between history and the supernatural. We have historical evidence of hundreds if not thousands of people throughout history, spanning back many thousands of years. Take all the emperors, kings, Queens and philosophers, even living during the time of Jesus. This is hard evidence you can go see in museums, or the actual ruins themselves.

    When it comes to Jesus however, the story is much different. There is no evidence apart from the gospels, which were written many years after he was supposed to have died.

    Luigi Cascioli is saying that Jesus was remodeled on someone called John Gamala, and his accusations are that this is an abuse of popular credulity, and impersonation, which are offences under the Italian penal code.

    More can be found http://www.luigicascioli.it/processo_eng.php"
     
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    Composing and playing complicated music peices flawlessly when he was 10 sounds pretty extraordinary to me.

    Also, ever heard of the Mozart Effect?
     
  21. Jan 4, 2006 #20

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    Staff: Mentor

    Scientists May Have Found Mozart's Skull

    Associated Press
    By WILLIAM J. KOLE , 01.04.2006, 10:16 AM

    Have scientists found Mozart's skull? Researchers said Tuesday they'll reveal the results of DNA tests in a documentary film airing this weekend on Austrian television as part of a year of celebratory events marking the composer's 250th birthday.

    http://www.forbes.com/entrepreneurs/feeds/ap/2006/01/04/ap2427389.html [Broken]
     
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    Aside from the gospels (and of course the rest of the New Testament), there is the book The History of the Jews by Josephus, a Romanized Jew. Describing the state of Judea in the time of Claudius (some 25 years after the supposed date of the crucifixion), it mentions the christians of that day and says a few words about their founder, but the text of Josephus has been worked over a lot by later christian apologists. People determined to be skeptical about Jesus' existence therefore reject it root and branch and deny it as evidence.

    I myself don't know, I have read the passages in question and they look to me pretty clearly to be an original text describing neutrally something mildly interesting - a teacher who was killed and whose disciples have persisted instead of fading away as would be expected - plus some very obvious additions that express christian doctrine. You pays your money and takes your choice.

    As has been pointed out many, many times, the historical Jesus is like a Rorschach blot, you find there what you bring to it.
     
  23. Jan 4, 2006 #22
    This particular article isn't exactly a good one it doesn't look like but it does give a list of historical references to Jesus aside from the Gospels...
    I don't know how good those sources would be either it's just something I found.
     
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    Yes but people can perform his music. Composing like, or even better has been achieved by Beethoven, this is undisputed.

    Has Jesus's experiment been replicated? Has his body been found? Why would a religion which was originated around one man who taught peace and tolerance go on Crusades? Why would it declare a 'war on terror' ?

    Doesnt bible teach 'dont overcome evil with evil, but overcome evil with good' ?
     
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    Yeah. Wrote The Marriage of Figaro. With a dance in the opera. In germany under whats-his-face (ballet was illegal).
     
  26. Jan 4, 2006 #25
    Again I think we ought to remember that solely the existence of the man whom the legends are attributed to is what is being debated here.

    If you want to argue the morality of his followers there are threads that cover that already I believe.
     
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