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Carnot engine - please help asp

[SOLVED] Carnot engine - please help asp

I just typed a whole question and as I typed it I solved it, lol!

1. Homework Statement

In the 1st stage of a 2-stage Carnot engine, energy is absorbed as heat Q1 at temp T1, work W1 is done, and energy is expelled as heat Q2 at lower temp T2. The 2nd stage absorbs that energy as heat Q2, does work W2 and expels energy as heat Q3 at a still lower temp T3. Prove that the efficiency of the engine is (T1 - T3)/T1

Stage 1 Qin=Q1
Qex=Q2
T2 less then T1
W1

Stage 2 Qin=Q2
Qex=Q3
T3 less then T2
W2

2. Homework Equations

e =Qex/W = (Qin-Qex)/Qin = (Tin-Tex)/Tin

3. The Attempt at a Solution

e(stage1) = (T1-T2)/T1
e(stage1) = (T2-T3)/T2

How do you put them together?

or

is this all wrong? how do I approach this?
 

Answers and Replies

Andrew Mason
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3. The Attempt at a Solution

e(stage1) = (T1-T2)/T1
e(stage1) = (T2-T3)/T2

How do you put them together?

or

is this all wrong? how do I approach this?
Start with the definition of efficiency for each of the cycles and the combined cycle:

E1 = W1/Qh1
E2 = W2/Qh2

What is Ec in terms of W1, W2, Qh1 and Qh2?

What are Qh1 and Qh2 in terms of T1, T2, T3?

AM
 
E1 = W1/Qh1 = (Qh1-Ql1)/Qh1 = (T1 - T2)/T1

what do you mean?

E2 = W2/Qh2 = (Qh2-Ql2)/Qh2 = (T2 - T3)/T2
 
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E1 = W1/Qh1 = (Qh1-Ql1)/Qh1 = (T1 - T2)/T1

what do you mean?

E2 = W2/Qh2 = (Qh2-Ql2)/Qh2 = (T2 - T3)/T2
So what is the overall efficiency in terms of the total work done (W1+W2) and the total heat flow into the system (Qh1+Qh2)?

AM
 
(T1 -T2 + T2 - T3) / (T1 + T2) = (T1 - T3) / (T1 + T2)

the problem is the T2 on the bottom
 
Andrew Mason
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(T1 -T2 + T2 - T3) / (T1 + T2) = (T1 - T3) / (T1 + T2)

the problem is the T2 on the bottom
Since the heat flow into the system is just Q1 (the heat flow into the second engine is the output heat of the first):

[tex]\eta_{total} = (W_1 + W_2) / Q_1[/tex]

But W1 = Q1-Q2 and W2 = Q2-Q3, so

[tex]\eta_{total} = (Q_1-Q_3) / Q_1 = (T_1-T_3)/T_1[/tex]

AM
 
thank you that makes since

I now understand the question
 

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