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CBR Dark Matter Discovered!

  1. Sep 29, 2007 #1

    No, not really, however my question is why has not dark matter been discovered, observed directly in the cosmic background radiation?

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  3. Sep 29, 2007 #2


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    When people talk about "direct detections" of dark matter, they generally mean detection of individual particles in a collider, cosmic ray detector, or some other ground-based experiment. We already know (in part because of the CBR) that something is out there exerting a great deal of gravitational influence, but we haven't been able to determine much beyond its average mass distribution.
  4. Sep 29, 2007 #3


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    The DM hypothesis is fairly compelling. Lensing studies and virial theory, for example, offer powerful observational evidence there is a huge amount of gravitating, undetected mass in the universe at large. MOND is a seductve alternative, but fails to explain things like the bullet cluster.
  5. Sep 30, 2007 #4

    The wiki describes dark matter in the 'bullet cluster' as 'collisionless' dark matter.

    My opinions are these:

    Any low-mass free particles that the universe is composed of MUST exist in the CBR as background radiation.

    The collision cross-section for dark matter particles is smaller than the electron and magnitudes weaker, of which there is only one candidate in the CBR, the neutrino.

    Even if dark matter were non-baryonic, it would still hard-scatter by collisions as the baryonic matter does in the 'bullet cluster'.

    The dark matter in the bullet cluster does not hard-scatter, therefore it cannot be composed of heavy mass particles, at least nothing more massive than a neutrino.

    Also, even non-baryonic CBR dark matter 'particles' would have been detected by hard-scattering in collider and cosmic ray detectors as background radiation, therefore, particled non-baryonic dark matter CBR does not exist.

    CBR photonic anisotropies suggests to me that dark matter does not hard-scatter but rather can soft-scatter photons and is 'polarized' to its focus, such as a lens.

    What is the interaction cross-section between a photon and a non-relativistic neutrino?

    What is the interaction coupling strength between a photon and a non-relativistic neutrino?

    Is the non-relativistic photon-neutrino interaction coupling strength less than the known forces that couple photon interactions to baryonic matter?

    Do photons soft-scatter through a massively large 'cluster cloud' of non-relativistic neutrinos?

    Could a massively large 'cluster cloud' of non-relativistic neutrinos anisotropicly polarize cosmic microwave background radiation?

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    You could call dark matter particles a "background" of sorts, but CBR refers to the cosmic microwave background. By definition, dark matter can't be a part of it.

    The cross section is smaller than for electrons... I don't know what it means for the cross section to be "weaker". There is a cosmological background of neutrinos, but not enough to make up the dark matter.

    Your reasoning falls apart here -- a particle can be massive and still have a low interaction cross section. There are quite a few candidates in theories of supersymmetry.
  7. Sep 30, 2007 #6

    Hard scattering is an electromagnetic interaction. Massive, electrically neutral particles will not hard scatter, no matter how large their masses.

    If dark matter were composed of neutrinos, there would be a very large lower limit on the sizes of dark matter halos, due to the free-streaming of the neutrinos. Neutrinos have long since been ruled out as DM candidates because this limit is significantly broken in the sizes of observed structures.

    Extraordinarily small. The lowest order interaction is a 1-loop diagram with a way off-shell W or Z.

    Zero. Neutrinos don't couple directly to the photon. Any [tex]\gamma / \nu[/tex] interactions will either involve a lepton/antilepton loop in the photon exchanging a Z with the neutrino, or the photon being absorbed and reemitted by the charged lepton in a lepton/W loop in the neutrino.
  8. Oct 7, 2007 #7

    ok, Chronos, SpaceTiger and Parlyne, I have a simple independent homework assignment for you all.

    1. plot the 'mass distribution' Dark Matter-Gas curve at the crossover point for the acoustic peak animation sequence listed in reference.
    2. calculate the peak resonance for this 'mass distribution' curve.
    3. publish your results on this thread.

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