Ratio of Kinetic Energies in Center of Mass Frame

In summary, the ratio of kinetic energies in the center-of-mass frame for a system of two objects with masses m1 and m2 is m2/m1. The center-of-mass frame is a special inertial frame where the center of mass of the system is at rest, and the total linear momentum of the system is zero. This means that from this reference point, the objects will only be moving apart or together with the same but opposite momentum.
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Homework Statement


Consider a system of two particles, with masses m1 and m2. What is
the ratio of their kinetic energies, T1=T2, in the center-of-mass frame?

The Attempt at a Solution


I do not really understand the question because center of mass frame was not taught in my class. From wikipedia, "center of mass frame is defined as being the particular inertial frame in which the center of mass of a system of interest is at rest (has zero velocity)". What is that supposed to mean? For example, in a collision of two particles (A and B), the center of mass is refer to the center of mass of A or B?

From wikipedia also, "In this special inertial frame where the center of mass is at rest, the total linear momentum of the system is zero." Can anybody explain this? Thanks...
 
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tanzl said:
From wikipedia, "center of mass frame is defined as being the particular inertial frame in which the center of mass of a system of interest is at rest (has zero velocity)".

A system is any group of objects that you decide to examine. They don't have to be attached, but you have to always keep all the objects in mind (and in the math) as you solve your problem.

Let's say that we have the system of two objects and "2" is twice the mass of "1." No matter where either one is, if you connected them with a massless rod, there would be a "balance point" on that rod that would be closer to the more massive object. That's the center of mass of the system.

If both objects are moving, then the center of mass point would move also. In this case, it would move so it would always be 1/3 (of total separation distance) near to the more massive object, and 2/3 to the less massive ("1" is twice as far from CM as "2").

If the observer stayed at this point and called it his reference point, then no matter what motion the two objects did, from the CM reference point, the objects would only be moving apart, or moving together, with exactly the same but opposite momentum. The less massive object, "1," would have to move with twice relative velocity in order to keep it 2x as far from the CM as the twice as massive object.

That means, from the CM, if "1" and "2" have the same magnitude of momentum, but "2" has twice the mass, what does that say about their velocities, and therefore their KEs?

Edit: We are assuming a non-rotating system here.
 
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By Galilean transformation, I am able to obtain velocity of A and B in the center of mass frame.
Then, by plugging in the two expression into kinetic energy formula, the ratio I got is
[tex]\frac{T_1}{T_2}[/tex]=[tex]\frac{m_2(v_1-v_2)^2}{m_1(v_2-v_1)^2}[/tex]
Since (v1-v2)2=(v2-v1)2

The ratio equals m2/m1
 

1. What is the center of mass frame?

The center of mass frame is a reference frame in which the total momentum of a system is zero. In this frame, the center of mass of the system remains at rest or moves with a constant velocity. It is a useful frame of reference in studying the motion of objects in a system.

2. How is the ratio of kinetic energies calculated in the center of mass frame?

The ratio of kinetic energies in the center of mass frame is calculated by dividing the kinetic energy of one object by the total kinetic energy of all the objects in the system. This ratio is constant in the center of mass frame and is independent of the reference frame used.

3. Why is the ratio of kinetic energies important?

The ratio of kinetic energies is important because it provides information about the distribution of kinetic energy within a system. It can also help determine the dominant object in a system, as the object with the higher kinetic energy will have a larger share of the total kinetic energy in the center of mass frame.

4. How does the ratio of kinetic energies change in different reference frames?

The ratio of kinetic energies remains constant in the center of mass frame, but will vary in different reference frames. This is because the total kinetic energy of the system is dependent on the reference frame, but the ratio remains the same as it is based on the individual object's kinetic energy.

5. What does a high ratio of kinetic energies indicate?

A high ratio of kinetic energies indicates that one object in the system has a significantly higher velocity compared to the others. This could be due to a larger mass or a higher acceleration. It can also indicate an unbalanced or asymmetric system, where one object is dominating the motion of the system.

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