Chance in physics ?

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Originally posted by DrChinese
Does the scientific method presuppose determinism?
What else logical reasoning and proof is?

Bell's proof is time invariant. So are most theories. Computer age has given us alot of iterated nonlinear functions that have no reversibility, ie you can't reverse-engineer them. Their output appears random by all means. Yet it isn't random.
I wonder, if something irreversible happens at particle level, is there even any remote chance to find cause-effect pattern without trying real hard to crack the crypto first, using heavily indirect hints?

How many theories have looked into iterative closest range particle behaviour where timeflow of particles themselves is heavily variable, being for eg. function of energy, ie is both cause and effect? Linear equations are useless there.
 
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Greetings !
Originally posted by DrChinese
Does the scientific method presuppose determinism?
The scientific method is (or at least should be)
observation. We observe and then we discribe.
The HUP, for example, made no deterministic (as
determinism was viewed before QM) sense and yet
we managed to observe and discribe it mathematicly.
I think that if you view science as a presupposition
of anything then you're creating a belief.
I do, however, think that the scientific method
should include certain "preferences". The reasons
fot that are :
1. If we observed patterns in the past with certain
general qualities that are the same, it makes
sense to try these qualities first when verifying
or considering a theory.
2. A "deeper" reason would not just be the
simple common qualities but the entire theoretical
framework of our thought about reality and even much
of the abstract. That is, the more basic assumptions
that we really do not seem to be able to do without.
It'll be reasonable to prefer this approach first
and change it only if it gets us stuck.
Originally posted by DrChinese
This would be worthy of further discussion...
Phil. forum. :wink:

Live long and prosper.
 

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