# Charge in uncharged sphere

1. Oct 5, 2009

### songoku

1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
A positive point charge q is placed at the center of an uncharged metal sphere insulated from the ground. The outside of the sphere is then grounded as shown. A is the inner surface and B is the outer surface of the sphere. Which of the following statements is correct?

a. the charge on A is -q ; that on B is +q
b. the charge on B is -q ; that on A is +q
c. there is no charge on either A or B
d. the charge on A is -q ; there is no charge on B

2. Relevant equations

3. The attempt at a solution
The charge on A will be negative because the electrons on the sphere will be attracted by the positive charge q. A will be more positive than B because B is grounded (not sure about this). So the answer is d ??

Thanks

2. Oct 5, 2009

### kuruman

To see if your answer is correct, use Gauss' Law with two kinds of Gaussian surfaces concentric with the shell.

One inside the conductor between A and B.
One outside B.

What is the flux through each and what is the enclosed charge by each?

3. Oct 6, 2009

### songoku

Hi kuruman

I haven't studied Gauss Law yet. Maybe there are other approaches?

Thanks

4. Oct 6, 2009

### kuruman

Have you studied "potential difference"? You must have otherwise grounding the sphere is meaningless to you. So what is the potential difference between zero and infinity?

5. Oct 7, 2009

### songoku

Hi kuruman

Yes I know a little biit about potential difference. When grounded, the potential becomes 0.

Potential difference between zero and infinity = infinity ??

6. Oct 7, 2009

### RoyalCat

What is the electrical potential at infinity? It is not infinity.

7. Oct 7, 2009

### songoku

Hi RoyalCat

$$V=k\frac{q}{r}$$

Electrical potential when r = infinity is zero

8. Oct 7, 2009

### RoyalCat

Very good, then we've discovered that the potential at infinity, is 0 (That's how we've defined it, mind you)

The potential difference between infinity and a grounded object, is therefore 0 as well (0-0=0, as best I can recall. ;p)

Looking at the formula you posted, what does that tell us about the charge on the outer rim of the conductor?

Heh, it's really hard to avoid Gauss' Law reasoning with this problem. ;)

Last edited: Oct 7, 2009
9. Oct 7, 2009

### songoku

Hi RoyalCat

The charge on the outer of the rim of the conductor will be zero. But I don't see the connection of the potential difference (between infinity and ground) and the charge on the outer rim. I think we can determine the charge by only looking on that formula ?

Thanks

10. Oct 7, 2009

### kuruman

1. If the potential difference between the outer rim and infinity is zero, there is no electric field between the outer rim and infinity.
2. Electric field lines start at positive charges and end at negative charges.

Therefore

If the there is no electric field between the outer rim and infinity there can be no charges at the boundaries of that region.

By grounding the conducting shell you essentially bring "infinity" (where the potential is zero) closer to charge q.

11. Oct 7, 2009

### songoku

Oh so the answer is really d.

Thanks a lot for your explanation, kuruman and RoyalCat. I learn a lot. Thanks again

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