This name must come up frequently in this forum, but I'm sure it is mostly when discussing "The Bell Curve." Instead of discussing IQ and race I wanted to discuss the topic of Murray's 1984 book, "Losing Ground." Basically, Murray claims that welfare policy is a complete failure that actually leads to more unemployment, and encourages poor women to have children out of wedlock. The poor are poor because of their bad choices, and welfare only promotes further "bad" behavior. Admittedly, I can see how conservatives could latch on to Murray's work, it is very persuasive. He has a large amount of empirical evidence supporting his arguments throughout the book. Murray's final solution is to cut ALL welfare programs. I disagree with this, but I cannot determine the variables that Murray is neglecting. Could it be that welfare is completely counter-productive?