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Cheating and paranoia

  1. Sep 30, 2005 #1

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    Last night I was taking an exam and my teacher did something that startled me. She came over and lifted up my hand and lifted up my scantron form to check for any kind of cheating (a cheat sheet, I guess?). This has never happened to me before.

    The community college science classes I take seem to be extremely vigilant about any sort of dishonest behavior going on. They ask that you put your bags and books to the side of the room, seating is assigned, different exams are given out, and if any person is late and enters before someone leaves, they have to take a zero for the exam.

    I have some friends who are community college teachers and they have confided that cheating is rampant. I can understand that this is a problem, but this seems to be an ENORMOUS problem.

    I guess I am grateful, because I sure hate it when other students try to cheat off my test (I know when its happening and it makes me really nervous), so I like that the teachers are being watchful. But it was just so weird to me because I am a diligent student, and I felt sort of randomly singled out last night, the way they pick people at the airport for security checks.

    I also take classes at a regular four year university and I find the atmosphere much more relaxed during exams. Is cheating truly more of a problem in the community college classes, or are the four year universities not looking for it as hard?
     
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  3. Sep 30, 2005 #2

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    Its a huge problem at my university as well. The problem, i bet, is that cheating was never dealt with in high school. When i was in HS, it was incredible when someone WASN'T cheating and the teachers didn't care.

    The problem you might have faced at a different college (or more likely at a HS) is that if someones caught cheating off of you, BOTH of you woudl get zeros. They did that in my high school and I was just amazed at how they could even imagine giving both people zeros if one idiot peaks at someones test
     
  4. Sep 30, 2005 #3
    Cheaters are begging for an ass-kicking. Apparently in my Calc classes last year, all of the running start (a program where in your last 2 years of high school you take half HS classes, and half community college classes, for free :D ) kids just cheated off of eachother and the teacher never noticed.

    Now, brats like that might not care, but people who worked HARD to know what they do, care a LOT. ESPECIALLY if the test or class is graded on a curve.

    I wish beating someone for cheating was legal, I would major in that instead of physics.

    PL
     
  5. Sep 30, 2005 #4

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    Should have reported them. Problem is that people don't report this crap and end up complaining about it to themselves later.
     
  6. Sep 30, 2005 #5
    No, plenty of people reported it. The instructor just shrugged and said "what am I supposed to do?" They just don't care. Or at least that one didn't. Some instructors say they WILL expell you for cheating, but I doubt it. People just don't have the balls to do something like that today. A shame. :(

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  7. Sep 30, 2005 #6

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    Thanks for responding. The whole dang thing is depressing to me and I appreciated hearing your insight on this!
     
  8. Sep 30, 2005 #7

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    If you feel like someone is cheating off you, what should you do? Do you try to cover up your exam? Do you tell the teacher?
     
  9. Sep 30, 2005 #8
    If it is a problem, why did you cheat in the exam anyway? You are not the only one who was/is doing great jobs in the community.

    I did have a lot of answers for such a simple question during the time I was in elementary school.
     
  10. Oct 1, 2005 #9

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    Try to pay better attention when you read these posts. I did not cheat.
     
  11. Oct 1, 2005 #10

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    From the other side, it is very difficult to actually do anything when you do find a student (or students) cheating. It becomes a major ordeal and investment of time documenting every fact, nuance, instant and justifying everything you did or did not do.

    You become the object of interrogation. Did you specifically notify the students beforehand that cheating is not allowed? Did you specifically tell the students beforehand that the may not exchange notes during an exam? Did you specifically notify students beforehand that dialling up a classmate on a cellphone during an exam is not allowed? Do you have an physical evidence an offense was commited? Did you catch it on videotape? You get the idea!

    The problem, of course, is that colleges (particularly small ones) can't afford litigation and we know mom and pop will lawyer up in an instant if dear son or daughter is besmirched by accusations from a lowlife prof that their progeny are anything less than perfect and beyond reproach.
     
  12. Oct 1, 2005 #11
    You misunderstood, he was not cheating, his teacher was just checking if he was cheating in his test.
     
  13. Oct 1, 2005 #12

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    Are you sure about that. Where I go, people have been expelled from the university before for cheating... many times actually.
     
  14. Oct 1, 2005 #13
    LOL, I'm the student version of your teacher. Instead of being paranoid about cheating going on in the classroom, I'm paranoid about being falsely accused of cheating. Hence, I typically sit in the front row during an exam, as close to the professor / TAs as I can be. It's hard for someone to be suspicious of you if you voluntarily chose to sit near them.
     
  15. Oct 1, 2005 #14

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    Same here. I'm the front-row-sitting, hand-raising, always-question-asking, "teacher-you forgot-to-assign-homework" student. I almost think that my check up was deliberate so in case any questions were asked about who was inspected, she could point to a "front row student" as well as her "back row students". :biggrin:

    or maybe I'm just getting on her nerves :uhh: :biggrin:
     
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  16. Oct 1, 2005 #15
    That is exactly what I do also have in mind,
    I do the same everytime there are tests. Thats an marvelous idea.
     
  17. Oct 1, 2005 #16

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    I am quite sure! I didn't say no one gets expelled. I was pointing out that it is a difficult process and some teachers may not want to take on the burden. The threat of litigation is real and has a chilling effect on taking action - but most teachers end up doing the right thing!
     
  18. Oct 1, 2005 #17
    Cheating is a big deal at my school. They make us sign "honor pledges" and sign our name. If your caught, you go to some sorta board review to see if you get a zero, an xf on your transcript, or just flat out kicked outa college. Whata buncha crap in my opinion. If they dont have the balls to fail like a man and retake the course, kick the b@$tar..... out. Honestly, most teachers even give you a formula sheet, what else do you need my god....
     
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  19. Oct 1, 2005 #18
    Why? You deserve to fail if you cheat, and your transcript should reflect that.

    EDIT: You edited your post, so mine no longer reflects yours accurately. :) Disregard what I said.
     
  20. Oct 1, 2005 #19

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    I also want to say, that I don't blame my teacher - she is awesome! Really - one of the best I've ever had. But she has been forced into this paranoia by 15 years of experience with students. That makes me sad.
     
  21. Oct 1, 2005 #20
    I agree, but dont waste my ink on political nonsense. I pledge not to cheat, I guess that means I wont right....................NOT........... see my point. If im going to cheat, I can write whatever the heck I want to, it doesnt amount to squat. Its just being PC to make it SEEM like the school is taking big action.
     
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