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News China Wants Only 'Healthy' News on Web

  1. Sep 27, 2005 #1
    BEIJING - China said Sunday it is imposing new regulations to control content on its news Web sites and will allow the posting of only "healthy and civilized" news.

    The move is part of China's ongoing efforts to police the country's 100-million Internet population. Only the United States, with 135 million users, has more.

    The new rules take effect immediately and will "standardize the management of news and information" in the country, the official Xinhua News Agency said Sunday.

    Sites should only post news on current events and politics, according to the new regulations issued by the Ministry of Information Industry and China's cabinet, the State Council. The subjects that would be acceptable under those categories was not clear.

    Only "healthy and civilized news and information that is beneficial to the improvement of the quality of the nation, beneficial to its economic development and conducive to social progress" will be allowed, Xinhua said.

    "The sites are prohibited from spreading news and information that goes against state security and public interest," it added.

    While the communist government encourages Internet use for education and business, it also blocks material it deems subversive or pornographic. Online dissidents who post items critical of the government, or those expressing opinions in chatrooms, are regularly arrested and charged under vaguely worded state security laws.

    Earlier this month, a French media watchdog group said e-mail account information provided by Internet powerhouse Yahoo Inc. (Nasdaq:YHOO - news) helped lead to the conviction and 10-year prison sentence of a Chinese journalist who had written about media restrictions in an e-mail.

    As part of the wider effort to curb potential dissent, the government has also closed thousands of cybercafes — the main entry to the Web for many Chinese unable to afford a computer at home.

    Authorities in Shanghai have installed surveillance cameras and begun requiring visitors to Internet cafes to register with their official identity cards.

    The government also recently threatened to shut down unregistered Web sites and blogs, the online diaries in which users post their thoughts for others to read.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050925/ap_on_hi_te/china_internet%3b_ylt=AtQgJweFHwXBM9SogVHHdZSs0NUE%3b_ylu=X3oDMTA3cjE0b2MwBHNlYwM3Mzg- [Broken]
     
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  3. Sep 27, 2005 #2

    cronxeh

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    I dont see how anyone else could control 1+ Billion people on such a short piece of land. The democracy wont work in China - not today, not ever. Unless they all die down to 20 million people.
     
  4. Sep 27, 2005 #3

    russ_watters

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    Huh? Democracy is not autocratic: control is neither desired nor required.
     
  5. Sep 27, 2005 #4

    cronxeh

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    Any form of government is about control - the body of laws and regulations that prohibit their citizens to a certain degree to overthrow such government. In the republic of the United States we cant overthrow the government. The words "that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government" have no real meaning today. The only meaning it has is when you dont feel like being part of a colony, but once you are a citizen of the destructive government there is pretty much nothing you can do about it
     
  6. Sep 27, 2005 #5

    russ_watters

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    Wow. Just wow.
     
  7. Sep 27, 2005 #6

    cronxeh

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    Yes.. yes.. let the anger flow :biggrin:
     
  8. Sep 27, 2005 #7
    anyone going to post a reply that's actually about... oh, I don't know.... China?
     
  9. Sep 27, 2005 #8

    Astronuc

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    They have a great wall! :biggrin:


    I did hear that Yahoo was cooperating with Chinese authorities.

    Apparently, only the large internet companies will be allowed to provide content on the internet, i.e. absolutely no "free expression", particluarly expression which is critical of the government.

    Business is business, and it appears the foreign businesses will happily cooperate with the Chinese government, even if it means discouraging dissent.
     
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  10. Sep 27, 2005 #9
    saw that coming... :rolleyes:
     
  11. Sep 27, 2005 #10
    Lets throw a cultural wrench into the works...

    Suppose that a Western visitor were to visit a Chinese internet cafe and sent a few emails back to his/her colleagues regarding the nature of the Communist government that he saw there (be it good or bad). Would this Westerner be arrested under the same pretexts as others, even though he/she grew up with the principles of free speech?

    I'm thinking it would happen, probably the same principle as if a Western journalist would come to China and publish an article in a Chinese newspaper about negative aspects of Communism... would almost certainly be arrested there.
     
  12. Sep 27, 2005 #11

    Astronuc

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    One of the managers in the previous company in which I worked was fond of saying "Business is not a democracy", and that used to be an employee owned company. :biggrin:

    I later found out that the two principal owners (who became co-presidents, if you can believe that) were doing some inappropriate things with the finances of the company. Unfortunately, I found out when the company was in a nose-dive, and I lost quite a bit of my equity - despite being told by the VP and treasurer that my 'money' was secure. :rolleyes:

    Based on my friends and colleagues who have visited China, someone who is openly critical of the government will likely be detained and escorted from the country.

    I guess I have to go to China now. :biggrin:
     
  13. Sep 29, 2005 #12
    Not surprising. Foreign companies like IBM did the same with Germany when Hitler was in power.
     
  14. Sep 29, 2005 #13
    I was going to say that!! They gave the nazis the perfored cards system to make a database of all the jew.

    I wonder if IBM has ben punished for that..
     
  15. Sep 29, 2005 #14
    A more balanced view, and certainly one closer to my heart, is found here.

    http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20050622_1.htm
     
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  16. Sep 29, 2005 #15
    You may find this article from the same blog interesting.

    http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20050908_2.htm
     
  17. Sep 29, 2005 #16
    I understand that the article is saying the pornography should be censored by the Chinese government?

    Censorship by government no matter in what form is a violation of the rights of the citizens.
    Just because some or the majority of the people do not like pornography does not mean that they have a right to deny it to the minority (Personally, I hate porn).

    Children are a different case since they are mostly not mature enough to make decisions for themselves. But in no way should this mean that just because web sites cannot prevent children from lying, they should be censored.
     
  18. Sep 29, 2005 #17

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    Interesting, some of the same people that say we should get out of Iraq, complain about how the rights of the Chinese are being denied. I say we stay the hell out of their business. Let them run the country the way they see fit.

    The truth is, some people just like to complain about any powers that be. It's rebelion in the most adolescent sense.
     
  19. Sep 29, 2005 #18
    And few complain about the fact that China now produces most of the consumer goods sold in the USA.
     
  20. Sep 29, 2005 #19

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    I've just recieved the first batch of replica hydraulic valves we are now having made in China. This same valve we can get here in the US for $450 ea we now get for less than $50 ea. And they are loving our business.
     
  21. Sep 29, 2005 #20
    But will they survive without porno?? :biggrin:
     
  22. Sep 29, 2005 #21

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    I read a similar article about this a few months ago, I think about June. Then in late July, I actually went to China (Beijing, Xian, and Shanghai), so what do I do, I decide to test it.
    On another forum, I posted a message with a bunch of words that might be thought of less then favorably by the Chinese government, and waited to see what would happen. Nothing.
    Now given, I was a Western Tourist using an internet connection in a Western Hotel Chain's hotel, and it isnt like I expected commi storm troopers to knock down the door, but still I was somewhat disapointed.
    Next to the ethernet cable that "pipes" in the internet connection into the room, there is a sign,
    "Please be respectful of the laws and regulations of the government of the Peoples Republic of China".

    While in Xian, I walked by a run-down looking internet cafe that caters to the native Chinese people, not western tourists, and I suspect a slightly different responce if the same thing was done in there.
     
  23. Sep 29, 2005 #22
    Aye Aye :biggrin:

    I'd also say those who champion "LIBERTY" can start showing their conviction to the rest of the world by respecting our liberty to run our business.
     
  24. Sep 30, 2005 #23
    You know.. Porno make them lazy, and don't let them focus on their jobs (Making valves for $0.5 an hour)
     
  25. Sep 30, 2005 #24

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    Although I agree with you to some extend that the Chinese do whatever they like in their country, I do think that *peaceful* means of pressure towards a freer society is always good to take. The problem I have with the dictatorial attitude of the chinese gouvernment is more on the long term, when they will be the world's superpower. As long as they keep that attitude only within China, I'd say it is the Chinese's business to decide whether they accept that or not. From the moment they start "exporting" their views, I'd be against it, but it might be too late.

    However, I can up to a point understand the attitude of the Chinese gouvernment: China's living an economic boom which will boost them in a few decenies from a develloping country to an economic (and military ?) superpower, and it is probably in the Chinese people's best interest in the long term that they keep it going that way, and not let (for the moment) government critique, ideas of liberty etc...get in their way. The goal is to produce valves at 1/9th the price for the US and the rest of the world, because it will pay off in a few years time when they will be masters of the world. But will WE ruled one day that way too ?
     
  26. Sep 30, 2005 #25

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    The way I see it, the world of trade is getting smaller and balancing out. American wages will diminish in order to compete with over-seas wages for work they can do just the same. And, I don't have a problem with that. It's inevitable regardless of who the president is. It is the economic trend. The only way for America to compete economically in the working class sector is to remain "smarter" and more creative. IMO, of course.
     
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