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Christoffel Symbol dimension

  1. Jun 20, 2012 #1
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    Does the Christoffel symbol [tex]\Gamma[/tex] have a dimension in physics? And if it does, what is its dimension?

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  3. Jun 20, 2012 #2
    The Christoffel symbols are arrays of real numbers. They are dimensionless.
     
  4. Jun 20, 2012 #3

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    Why do you say this? Since the metric tensor is dimensionless, and the Christoffel symbols are the derivatives of the metric tensor with respect to the coordinates, shouldn't the Christoffel symbols have dimensions of 1/length?
     
  5. Jun 20, 2012 #4

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    To OP: Can you think of any equation which contains the Christoffel symbols? That should help you answer the question.
     
  6. Jun 23, 2012 #5
    Yes, I can think of this equation:

    [tex]\frac{\partial e_i}{\partial U^j} = \Gamma_{ij}^k e_k[/tex]

    But not really sure is that makes it easier for me. I can certainly think of the derivatives case for the christoffel symbols. I had decided before anyone posted here, that the symbol would have 1/length because of the metric derivatives. But the responses here seem to be... a bit mixed.
     
  7. Jun 23, 2012 #6
    I am reading that the Rindler Christoffel Symbols are dimensionless.
     
  8. Jun 23, 2012 #7
    The curvature tensor is made up completely of christoffel symbols, you'd expect that to have a dimension of length.
     
  9. Jun 23, 2012 #8

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    I'm not familiar with the Uj notation, but your reasoning based on the derivatives of the metric is correct. The Christoffel symbols have dimension of 1/length.
     
  10. Jun 23, 2012 #9

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    If I look at how the curvature tensor is constructed from Christoffel symbols and their derivatives, I don't get that the curvature tensor has dimension of length. What is the dimension of the product of two Christoffel symbols? What is the dimension of the derivative of a Christoffel symbols with respect to a coordinate xj?
     
  11. Jun 23, 2012 #10
    [tex]
    (\partial_{\nu} \Gamma_\mu - \Gamma_\mu \partial_\nu) - (\partial_{\mu} \Gamma_\nu - \Gamma_\nu \partial_\mu) + \Gamma_\nu \Gamma_\mu - \Gamma_\mu \Gamma_\nu
    [/tex]

    Bracketed expressions are the derivatives of connection

    [tex]
    \frac{\partial \Gamma_\mu}{\partial x^{\nu}} - \frac{\partial \Gamma_\nu}{\partial x^{\mu}} + \Gamma_\nu \Gamma_\mu - \Gamma_\mu \Gamma_\nu
    [/tex]

    I know the first lot of terms from the curvature tensor are zero]

    [tex]\partial_{\mu}\partial_{\nu} - \partial_{\nu}\partial_{\mu}[/tex]
     
  12. Jun 23, 2012 #11
    But,you seem to be telling me that the dimensions of the Christoffel symbols are indeed 1/length?
     
  13. Jun 23, 2012 #12
    U^j comes from U^iU^j U^k for curvilinear coordinates.
     
  14. Jun 23, 2012 #13

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    They have dimension of 1/length if all the coordinates xj have the dimension of length. Without thinking, that's what I was assuming :blushing:.

    However, generally the coordinates do not need to have dimension of length (for example, in spherical coordinates where some of the coordinates are angles.) For a given coordinate system it is possible for different Christoffel symbols to have different dimesions.
     
  15. Jun 23, 2012 #14

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    Also, since the Christoffel symbols have dimension 1/length, the curvature tensor has dimensions 1/(length^2). This is exactly what you'd expect. Consider the Gaussian curvature of a 2D surface - it is the product of the two principle curvatures. Since each principle curvature is equal to 1/(radius of curvature), the Gaussian curvature has dimensions 1/(length^2).
     
  16. Jun 23, 2012 #15
    Right, I understand that. Thank you.
     
  17. Jun 24, 2012 #16

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    Look here to see some explicit examples of Christoffel symbols and curvature tensor components:

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/9783527622061.app12/pdf

    For example, if you use spherical coordinates in flat spacetime you can see that some of the Christoffel symbols have dimension 1/length while others are dimensionless (see equations L.14). All the curvature tensor components are zero in this case because the spacetime is flat.

    For the Schwarzchild metric, again you find some of the Christoffel symbols have dimesion 1/length while others are dimensionless (see equations L.21). Some components of the curvature tensor have dimension 1/length^2, while others are dimensionless (see equations L.22). [The symbol m in these expressions has the dimension of length.]
     
  18. Jun 24, 2012 #17
    ty very much
     
  19. Jun 29, 2012 #18
    With no loss of generality, it is possible to think of the spatial coordinates as merely numbers laid on a grid, without any units; in this scheme of things, the coordinate basis vectors then all have units of distance (length). From this it follows that the components of the metric tensor all have units of length squared. From this it follows in this scheme that the Christoffel symbols of the first kind also all have units of length squared. From this it follows that the Christoffel symbols of the second kind are all dimensionless.

    Chet
     
  20. Jun 29, 2012 #19
    more like... christAWFUL symbols!

    in all seriousness though I'm going to have to agree with everyone else here - it depends on what units you give to your coordinates.
     
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