Examining the Role of Religion in Presidential Elections

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In summary: I think?). In a study done a few years ago, it was found that the more religous a leader is, the less likely they are to be successful in politics. This makes sense, as people want leaders who share their values, and someone who is devoutly religious is likely to have very different values than someone who is not religious. So, while a leader who is religious may be popular with some people, it's more likely to lead to failure in politics.
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Is it possible for anyone who isn't seen going to church every Sunday to be elected president?

When's the last time that happened?
 
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gnome said:
Is it possible for anyone who isn't seen going to church every Sunday to be elected president?

When's the last time that happened?
Probably safe to say never, religion plays a huge part in presidential elections. I think more now than in the past, perhaps? I haven't read up that much on it, it will be interesting to find out.
 
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Jefferson probabally was the last one...

Though I could picture TR going off kayaking or something to find God instead of sitting in some stuffy building.
 
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I'm pretty sure Lincoln wasn't an every Sunday type of guy, best I can tell he didn't even consider himself a Christian.
 
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The US wants a "Sunday Christian" (protestant): someone who goes to church every Sunday, but only pays lip-service to it. Bush is more religious than most people are comfortable with (thats right, including conservatives). The last President we had with that problem was Kennedy. Kennedy was Catholic, and there was a question raised about his loyalty to the Vatican over the US, but people quickly realized he was just a "Sunday Christian" as well (with his lebido, how could he be anything else?).
 
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russ_watters said:
The US wants a "Sunday Christian" (protestant): someone who goes to church every Sunday, but only pays lip-service to it. Bush is more religious than most people are comfortable with (thats right, including conservatives). The last President we had with that problem was Kennedy. Kennedy was Catholic, and there was a question raised about his loyalty to the Vatican over the US, but people quickly realized he was just a "Sunday Christian" as well (with his lebido, how could he be anything else?).

I think that this is just about right, but I think the last president whose religion bothered the people was Carter, not Kennedy. Once they got used to the fact that a Catholic could be just a "Sunday Christian" too, they had no problems with Kennedy. But "Born Again Jimmy" set everybody's teeth on edge.
 
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russ_watters said:
The US wants a "Sunday Christian" (protestant): someone who goes to church every Sunday, but only pays lip-service to it. Bush is more religious than most people are comfortable with (thats right, including conservatives). The last President we had with that problem was Kennedy. Kennedy was Catholic, and there was a question raised about his loyalty to the Vatican over the US, but people quickly realized he was just a "Sunday Christian" as well (with his lebido, how could he be anything else?).
Kennedy's "problem", if that's the right word, was not that he was too religious but simply that he was a Catholic. I think, by the end of your post, that we agree on that. But are you sure that your first sentence is still true today?

Maybe I'm just becoming over-sensitive to it, but it has seemed that a great deal more importance has been attached to presidential candidates' religiousity in recent elections than used to be. Is this just an invention of the media, a ploy to sell "news". In fact, the media give the impression that American society is becoming more religious in general.

And yet, surveys like this
http://www.harrisinteractive.com/harris_poll/index.asp?PID=408
suggest the opposite.

So, are you sure that it's still the case that the majority want a president who only pays lip service to religion? If so, is it a stable, growing, or shrinking majority?

And either way, why do you suppose that an electorate among whom only a minority attend church regularly insists that the president do so.
 
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selfAdjoint said:
I think that this is just about right, but I think the last president whose religion bothered the people was Carter, not Kennedy. Once they got used to the fact that a Catholic could be just a "Sunday Christian" too, they had no problems with Kennedy. But "Born Again Jimmy" set everybody's teeth on edge.
I didn't know that about Jimmy. He's in that nonexistent era between Nixon and Reagan, where I was too young (or not alive) to remember it and its too recent to teach in history class. :redface:
 
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gnome said:
Kennedy's "problem", if that's the right word, was not that he was too religious but simply that he was a Catholic. I think, by the end of your post, that we agree on that. But are you sure that your first sentence is still true today?
Well, its certainly true that the majority of Americans don't want someone ultra-religious, but the majority of conservatives -- ehh, that's a little tougher. No, I'm not sure.
 
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This isn't directly about the presidency, but it is about top political leaders (which includes Frist who currently is third on the list of Republican candidates for the 2008 presidential elections). This thread stems from other threads about the media, but in regard to the general topic of the country becoming more conservative and my assertion that there is an agenda to turn our country into Jesusland, here is something I just saw: http://www.au.org/site/News2?abbr=pr&page=NewsArticle&id=7277&security=1002&news_iv_ctrl=1241&JServSessionIdr001=xuoqjunqv1.app1b

Top congressional leaders have promised to push the Religious Right agenda on judicial nominations, church politicking, abortion, marriage and the Terri Schiavo case, according to Americans United for Separation of Church and State.

Americans United today released audiotapes of closed-door addresses by Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist and House Majority Leader Tom DeLay to a Family Research Council (FRC) gathering March 17-18 at Washington, D.C.'s Willard Hotel. The pair talked about a range of political issues, using the Schiavo case as a springboard.

"Religious Right leaders are determined to run all of our lives, from the moment of conception through the end of life," said the Rev. Barry W. Lynn, Americans United executive director. "And top congressional leaders are conspiring behind closed doors in Washington to help them do it. It's appalling.

"Frist and DeLay have wrapped sanctimonious language around political posturing," said Lynn. "They are using Mrs. Schiavo's personal tragedy in Florida to burnish their credentials with an increasingly powerful component of the Republican Party. It's a sad, cynical political ploy."
Then this article goes on to say:
…DeLay urged the gathering to contact lawmakers in both chambers to support legislation that would allow churches to become much more involved in partisan politicking. The Texas Republican blasted current federal tax law, which bars both secular and religious nonprofit groups from endorsing political candidates.
An agenda to remove separation of church and state could not be more clear. This should be making everyone, including conservative Republicans more than just a little uncomfortable.
 
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SOS2008 said:
An agenda to remove separation of church and state could not be more clear.
Please expand: how does any of that infringe on the 1st amendment's establishment clause?

Or, failing that, could you explain what you mean by "separation of church and state" and explain how that jives with what Jefferson said about it (as I already requested)?

edit: oh wait, wrong thread. Could you respond in the thread we already have going instead of hijacking this one?
 
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[responding to SOS2008]:

That's no secret, but it's not the question I'm trying to address here. You're talking about people who do go to church every week (or who say they do).

I'm asking why people who do not attend church weekly, and who according to numerous surveys are still the majority, seem to require that their president must do so.
 
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gnome said:
[responding to SOS2008]:

That's no secret, but it's not the question I'm trying to address here. You're talking about people who do go to church every week (or who say they do).

I'm asking why people who do not attend church weekly, and who according to numerous surveys are still the majority, seem to require that their president must do so.
I'm responding by saying it's because these Americans who are fundamentalists (right-wing Christians) who want to remove separation of church and state (i.e., have government alignment with a specific religion, i.e., Christianity) elect presidents like Bush, and probably will therefore support future presidential candidates like Frist. They require this because there is an agenda they want to pursue, such as banning abortion, etc.

I meant to add: People who support Bush who do NOT go to church, are not as supportive as they use to be, and if they are, they aren't paying attention. This also was addressed under the separation of church and state thread, in which I said that the Republican Party is no longer the party for the weed-smoking, sexually liberal Republicans I know (though they themselves may not know it--at least not yet...).
 
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russ_watters said:
Please expand: how does any of that infringe on the 1st amendment's establishment clause?

Or, failing that, could you explain what you mean by "separation of church and state" and explain how that jives with what Jefferson said about it (as I already requested)?

edit: oh wait, wrong thread. Could you respond in the thread we already have going instead of hijacking this one?
Agreed my response may better fit in the thread on Separation of Church and State, however, I feel these topics are all related. The quote above is from Americans United for Separation of Church and State, for which I've gone ahead and explained what I feel is obvious (that these people support political leaders who take their side--i.e., government alignment with their religion).
 

1. What role does the church play in the presidency?

The church does not have an official role in the presidency as the United States has a separation of church and state. However, many presidents have been religious and have consulted with religious leaders for guidance and support.

2. How has the relationship between the church and the presidency evolved over time?

The relationship between the church and the presidency has evolved over time. In the early years of the United States, religion played a larger role in politics and many presidents were openly religious. However, in recent years, there has been a stronger emphasis on the separation of church and state and presidents have been more private about their religious beliefs.

3. Have any presidents been affiliated with a specific church or religion?

Yes, many presidents have been affiliated with a specific church or religion. For example, George Washington was an Episcopalian, John F. Kennedy was a Catholic, and Barack Obama attended a United Church of Christ congregation. However, it is important to note that a president's religious beliefs or affiliation should not dictate their ability to lead the country.

4. How have church and religious organizations influenced political decisions made by presidents?

Church and religious organizations have influenced political decisions made by presidents in a variety of ways. Some presidents have consulted with religious leaders for guidance and support, while others have been influenced by the beliefs and values of their own religious backgrounds. Additionally, religious organizations have been active in advocating for certain political issues and policies.

5. How does the separation of church and state affect the presidency?

The separation of church and state affects the presidency by ensuring that the government cannot favor or promote one religion over others. This means that presidents must be mindful of their actions and decisions to ensure that they do not infringe upon the religious freedom and rights of all citizens. It also means that the president cannot use their position to promote a specific religion or impose their religious beliefs on the country.

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