Originally posted by Mr. Robin Parsons
Agreed, but as you stated, concerning the Guilds, they have rights to what is historically ascribed to them, re: the word "Marriage"
They have the right to perform marriages, but they don't have the exclusive right, nor should they. As I've said before, for any person or organization to restrict other individuals from using a word or entering into an agreement with each other is absurd (unless the people are mentally or incompetant or incompetant to carry out the terms of the agreement, which is NOT the case here).
Firstly, sorry, but NOT just the USA please, and not just one Church, but the very idea of "Church(s)" meaning "Religion(s)" as back in history the "States" (Any, not nessecarily the US's) right to Authority grew from the Notion of the Churches Cedance to it.Well, most of the people here live in the US. So, for us, we can use USA-based arguments as negation of your arguments. You cannot say something like "it applies in most cases, so it must apply to yours, too."
As Russ already stated, our government does not recognize its authority as coming from the church, nor has it ever. If you read our Constitution or Declaration of Independence, you will understand that.
That said, there are examples where Church and State interact, marriage is just one of the places wherein the Authorities of the two intermeld.
Yes, the government interacts with many entites--construction firms, military contractors, private citizens, foreign nations, agricultural businesses.....
Your statement of God as irrelevant to State is, sorta Silly, if we replace "God" with the "Truth" (as that is what God is) and know the State for what it is.
That is what you believe, but that is not a tenet upon which all governments are formed. It is not a tenet upon which my government was formed.
As for government ceding power to Church, Humm, they pay no taxes, they can own property, collect charitable contributions and issue tax receipts for that, they are legally circumscribed (Definetely a function of government) and they have a historical right(s) to issues, and postions, on issues, that government acknowledges and is influenced by by way of the feedback of the (religious) voter.
There are lots of tax-exempt organizations that may collect charitable contributions and issue tax receipts for it, many of them not churches. Anyone or any corporation can own property.
And everyone has the right to having positions and issues and influencing votes.
Not so separate.....
There are things in the US government that do contradict the 1st Amendment to the Constitution of the USA. Government was and is composed of many people.