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CIA's family jewels

  1. Jul 3, 2007 #1
    Has anyone heard about this yet?
    http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2007/06/26/4292093-ap.html

    I emailed Bill Blum about this because it sounded a lot like what he'd already written in his book Rogue State (which OBL recommends btw). He said he'd only read the first ~100 pages & says there isn't really anything new or interesting in there. Pretty much all of it has been known for 30yrs or more. What does that say about people like Bill Blum or Noam Chomsky now? I think they can give all Americans a big "told you so". Blum wrote a couple years ago a bit on the CIA's "family jewels" but it wasn't anything that's in the recent 700-page thing. It was about Operation Gladio, which was a network of right-wing terrorist cells created after WWII to create problems for the USSR if they ever decided to take over Western Europe. So the CIA isn't "a very different agency" as the current director tried to claim. Blum also wrote a bit about this:
    http://members.aol.com/essays6/intro.htm

    here's the "family jewels" @ the national security archive:
    http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB222/index.htm
    & the cia's site:
    http://www.foia.cia.gov/
     
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  3. Jul 3, 2007 #2
    :rofl: Yeah, a very different agency. Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh-huhhhhhhhhh, and I was born yesterday.
     
  4. Jul 3, 2007 #3

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    The fact that the CIA is a spy agency is not something they can claim an 'i told you so' for. I should hope that everyone already knows. :rolleyes:

    Anyway, it sounds like most of this is still just sanitized versions of documents that have already leaked over the past few decades.
     
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  5. Jul 3, 2007 #4
    Knows what? Knows that there's nothing wrong with the CIA testing drugs on unsuspecting people & hiring mobsters that are wanted by the FBI? (etc) I don't think I understand what you mean. Blum has been writing about this sort of stuff for years & people have been calling him crackpot & doing worse things like giving him death threats for writing about what the CIA just released. Why should he not claim an "I told you so"? It's not like you can deny it any of that anymore.
     
  6. Jul 4, 2007 #5
    this is vary true. there is a huge difference between an organization that taps the offices of foreign generals and diplomats, pays spies for national secrets, and listens to foreign scientists brag about their top secret accomplishments vs an organization that supplies weapons to human rights violators, trains terrorist organizations and assassinates political leaders.

    the CIA does a lot more then just gather information. it seems there are many things the CIA has done that have nothing to do with simply gathering information.
     
  7. Jul 4, 2007 #6

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    Of course the CIA does more than simply gathering information. Heck, it's right there on their webpage.
     
  8. Jul 4, 2007 #7

    russ_watters

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    I said nothing about any value judgements. I only stated that only someone incredibly naive would not expect things like that are going on.
     
  9. Jul 4, 2007 #8

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    Their mission statement from your link
    Not there or anywhere else on the page does it mention assassinations or the like :rolleyes:
     
  10. Jul 4, 2007 #9
    from the cia web site link "mission: Conducting covert action at the direction of the President to preempt threats or achieve US policy objectives". this refers to anything that is covert. if the cia caused the Chernobyl disaster, i think people would like to know.

    i don't think that because an organization is 'spy' related or because they elude to something publicly is a good reason to trivialize immoral actions.
     
  11. Jul 5, 2007 #10
    I think it's entirely reasonable to believe that a US Agency is NOT committing these acts against American citizens and undermining American Law, unless explicitly informed of such.
     
  12. Jul 5, 2007 #11

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    You are being intentionally obtuse. It says it right there under the heading for "mission":
    Assassinations most certainly fall under the category of "covert actions" and the ones described in the OP were for the two reasons stated at the end of the quote.

    Again, unless people are spectacularly naive, they know what the CIA is. This is not news.
    What acts are you talking about? The acts in the OP were all on foreign soil.
     
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  13. Jul 5, 2007 #12
    the very first link, it's the only one I've read.
    "spying on Americans"
    "the testing of behaviour-altering drugs on unwitting citizens, wiretapping of U.S. journalists, spying on civil rights and anti-Vietnam war protesters, opening of mail between the United States and the Soviet Union and China and break-ins at the homes of former CIA employees and others."

    some other things it mentions aren't made clear whether they're on American soil or abroad. But I think the same goes for most of the international things.
     
  14. Jul 5, 2007 #13
    what difference does it make if these acts were on foreign soil or not if they were still covert actions? it should come as no surprise to anyone that the CIA was used to rig the last presidential election in favor of bush... or wait... that would be vary surprising because it would be illegal and immoral, even if the president considered it a matter of national security that he get reelected.

    again, just because it is stated on the cia web site that they do "covert actions" does not mean people have to be naive to be surprised at some of the things the cia has allegedly done. "covert actions" encompass everything that is not overt.
     
  15. Jul 5, 2007 #14

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    I suspect you are not being intentionally obtuse so I'll explain further. Given their mission statement and the context of the passage you quoted the inference is that 'covert actions' refers to secret information gathering so although you are correct in saying that everybody knows or at least has a fair suspicion of what the CIA get up to, unlike Hurkyl's contention, it does not spell it out on their website.
     
  16. Jul 5, 2007 #15

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    Also, for those not familiar with the agencies, the FBI is for domestic intelligence, the CIA is international.
     
  17. Jul 5, 2007 #16
    We are not talking only about the ilegal spying activities, we are mainly talking about higly ilegal actions like assasinations, support of terrorist, and ilegal drug testing.
    And the "everybody knew" tactic is just a usless attempt to shift away from the OP. And i realy don't belive you that you "hope that everybode already knows"

    Anyway "i told you so", and my thread got locked!!

    Is the CIA a Terrorist Organization?
    https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=115264

     
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