# Circuit -- what is wrong?

1. Nov 9, 2015

### Drizzy

1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data

Why does my book say this is wrong?
2. Relevant equations

3. The attempt at a solution

2. Nov 9, 2015

### stockzahn

Think about the resistances of the measuring instruments for the corrisponding values you want to determine.

What should be the resistance of a Voltmeter to obtain the correct voltage?
What should be the resistance of an Amperemeter to obtain the correct current?

3. Nov 9, 2015

### Drizzy

the current is probably gonna be low because the volt meter has a high resistance. But why is it incorrect?

4. Nov 9, 2015

### Drizzy

my book: it is wrong to have an amp meter parallell because its resistance is so low that the amp meter could burn (too much current flowing through it). But how can the currrent be high if the volt meter has a high resistance?

5. Nov 9, 2015

### stockzahn

If the right Voltmeter and settings respectively is used the current should be zero. What would you measure, if there is no current?

And what about the resistance of the Amperemeter?

6. Nov 9, 2015

### Drizzy

okay now I know what you mean but my book is saying that the amp meter is gonna burn and thats the part i dont get

7. Nov 9, 2015

### stockzahn

That's true, if you put the Voltmeter in this position the Amperemeter wouldn't burn, but there is also no current, so the Amperemeter is useless. If you put away the Voltmeter and have the Amperemeter connected in parallel you would create a short circuit. A Voltmeter is always connected in parallel and the Amperemeter in series. I think the task is to measure the difference of voltage at the resistor and the current passing it, which can be realized by changing the position of the instruments.

8. Nov 9, 2015

### Drizzy

what happens if we switch places with V and A? So the amp meter is in series and the V meter is in parallell? now the amp meter is gonna burn right? cuz the current is too high

9. Nov 9, 2015

### OmCheeto

This is difficult to answer, without answering the question, which is against forum rules.

Ammeters and Voltmeters are NOT supposed alter the characteristics of circuits. They are only supposed to measure what is going on.
How have the two meters altered the circuit?

If your textbook really says that, then it is wrong.
Can you copy what it says, word for word. It might explain things.

10. Nov 9, 2015

### Drizzy

i cant cuz it is in swedish so i am translating it :(

11. Nov 9, 2015

### OmCheeto

Does it say the ammeter will burn up in the circuit you've posted, or is this "burning up" mentioned somewhere else?

12. Nov 9, 2015

### stockzahn

That again depends on the instrument and its settings. If you have a look at the manuals or sometimes on the instrument itself a maximal voltage / a maximal current is stated to protect them from damage.

13. Nov 9, 2015

### Drizzy

This is through googla translate:

Common errors while connecting measuring instruments are placing parallel ammeter and voltmeter in series. placing the voltmeter in series cause no harm. because its resistance is so great will power to the circuit to be nearly zero. To place ammeter in parallel is a serious fault. because its resistance is so small it will go much current through it and ammeter may occasionally burn out .

14. Nov 9, 2015

### CWatters

Its possible the book is wrong. My guess is they attempted to show two errors on one diagram and failed to notice that one error interacts with the other. The amp meter would burn if the volt meter wasn't also in the wrong place.

15. Nov 9, 2015

### Drizzy

okay thanx! im going to ask my teacher tomorrow i have been thinking of this non stop

16. Nov 9, 2015

### CWatters

PS: I always leave my multi-meter set on a high voltage range setting for this reason. Never leave it set on a current range.

17. Nov 9, 2015

### OmCheeto

The clarification indicates your book is correct. It was NOT referring to that specific circuit.

Remember this:
Ideal voltmeters have infinite internal resistance.
Ideal ammeters have zero internal resistance.

18. Nov 9, 2015

### Drizzy

okay but I still don't get why an amp meter is going to burn up if it is paralllell

19. Nov 9, 2015

### OmCheeto

What is its internal resistance?

20. Nov 9, 2015

zero