Solving the Mystery of Two Beads and a Frictionless Hoop

In summary, the conversation discusses the problem of two beads being given tiny kicks and sliding down a frictionless hoop. The question asks for the largest value of m/M for which the hoop will never rise off the ground. The solution involves using classical mechanics and starting with conservation of energy to find the speed as a function of θ. Then, the acceleration, force from the hoop on each mass, and force on the hoop from each mass need to be calculated to determine when the hoop will lift.
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Homework Statement



Two beads of mass m are initially at rest at the top of a frictionless hoop of mass M and radius R, which stands vertically on the ground. The beads are given tiny kicks, and they slide down the hoop, one to the rigth and one to the left. What is the largest value of m/M for which the hoop will never rise up off the ground?

Homework Equations



classical mechanics

The Attempt at a Solution



2mg cos^2(theta from top) = Mg ?

please help me get started, as this is an assignment question
 
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hi zheng89120! :smile:

(have a theta: θ and try using the X2 tag just above the Reply box :wink:)
zheng89120 said:
2mg cos^2(theta from top) = Mg ?

where did that come from? :confused:

start with conservation of energy to find the speed as a function of θ

then find the acceleration

then find the force from the hoop on each mass

then find the force on the hoop from each mass …

when will that be enough to lift the hoop? :smile:
 

1. How do you determine the trajectory of the beads in a frictionless hoop?

The trajectory of the beads can be determined by using the principles of conservation of energy and angular momentum. By analyzing the initial conditions and applying these principles, the path of the beads can be calculated.

2. Can you explain the concept of a frictionless hoop?

A frictionless hoop is a theoretical object that is assumed to have no resistance or friction when in motion. This means that any object rolling on a frictionless hoop will continue to roll without slowing down or changing direction due to friction.

3. How does the mass of the beads affect their motion on the frictionless hoop?

The mass of the beads does not affect their motion on a frictionless hoop, as there is no force of friction acting on them. This means that the mass of the beads will not impact their speed or trajectory as they roll on the hoop.

4. Can the beads ever escape the frictionless hoop?

No, the beads will never escape the frictionless hoop as there is no force acting on them to propel them out of the hoop. They will continue to roll around the hoop indefinitely, following the laws of conservation of energy and angular momentum.

5. How is the motion of the beads on a frictionless hoop relevant to real-world physics?

The concept of a frictionless hoop is often used as an idealized model in physics to explain the principles of motion and energy conservation. While a frictionless hoop does not exist in the real world, understanding its motion can help scientists better understand and predict the behavior of objects in motion, such as rolling balls or spinning tops.

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