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Clinton cancels commencement speech

  1. Jun 11, 2008 #1

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    This is so dumb. It has nothing to do with the students. :mad: :mad: :mad:

    http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5j5GqkwdTCsfGn1Zc9IVLg-aZJzvAD917LK080

    I heard on the radio that the union has been pressuring all the UC commencement speakers to back out.
     
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    Of course it has something to do with the students. They knew about the labor dispute. They knew Clinton is pro-union. Today they learned something at school. Do you suppose that a little bit of the liberal agenda goes a long way with them? Why are they going to the commencement?
     
  4. Jun 11, 2008 #3

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    Now he backs out - two days before.

    Why doesn't he offer to sit down with the union and the university. :rolleyes:

    Of course, if it was me, I wouldn't want BC involved in my affairs. :biggrin:
     
  5. Jun 11, 2008 #4

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    :rofl:

    Well, I will certainly be there. My cap and gown is ready to go and my parents will be in town in -- yikes -- two hours!!

    I am certain Chancellor Block will do a great job with the commencement speech. I think he's aces. :approve:
     
  6. Jun 11, 2008 #5

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    I know. That's pretty rotten.

    I wonder how much he was going to get paid for this.
     
  7. Jun 11, 2008 #6

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    Labor unions have long outlived their original purpose. I worked in a company that had a labor union. One side of the office, non-union = people working hard, the other side, union = no one working, standing around in small groups gossiping, painting their fingernails, watching tv. It really turned me against them.

    Congrats on your graduation MIH!! We'll be expecting pictures!! Did you get a matching cap and gown for Jellyroll?
     
  8. Jun 11, 2008 #7

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    Sorry to hear MIH. That really stinks!!!
     
  9. Jun 11, 2008 #8

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    I totally agree. They tried to get my job classification into a union but thank heavens it got voted down. No way would I go on strike. Ever. When I'm unhappy at a job I leave it and go work somewhere else.

    Thanks! oh, a kitty cap and gown would be so cute!!

    I'm sure dad will take an obnoxious amount of pics.
     
  10. Jun 11, 2008 #9

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    Thanks, Ivan. Ah, well. I can't complain. It's gonna be a great commencement no matter what.
     
  11. Jun 11, 2008 #10

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    A big thumbs up, MIH - congrats!!

    Are you going to stay at your job?
     
  12. Jun 11, 2008 #11

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    Yes, it is an exciting day! Congratulations!!!

    Haha! I hadn't noticed your quote from Johnny 5. :biggrin: Very appropriate for a psych major!
     
  13. Jun 11, 2008 #12

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    Too much! He's made $10's of millions in speeches since leaving office. That's ********!
     
  14. Jun 11, 2008 #13
    Sorry MIH, I didn't know that you are they. It's a rare occasion when you can attend a Clinton speech without paying through the nose for it. Too bad the freebie fell through. Will you have to cross a picket line to get your diploma?
     
  15. Jun 11, 2008 #14
    I wish I could opt out of the graduate student union at my school. One of the key points at the first speech was how they are trying to negotiate with the school so that all TA's, regardless of major, get paid the same. About 80% of the students that attended clapped, the other 20% (engineers, scientists, med students, mathematicians, biologists, and chemists alike), all had a quizzical look, like "why should I get paid the same as an art history major when I do 3 times the work?"
    Show me the last time a non-hard science TA has to teach three two-hour labs, put in multiple hours at a resource center, give a quiz section, moderate common-hour exams, and take three 3/4 credit courses while making sure to study not only for your exams, but the qualifying exam at the end of the semester. Grading the midterms took up about 8 hours worth of time because of having to give partial credit.

    I should strike against the union.
     
  16. Jun 11, 2008 #15

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    I used to have the same argument about the number of credits a class is worth. My quantum mechanics class was worth 3, my history class was worth 5. I assure you, I did far more than 3/5 of the work in the QM class as the history class!!
     
  17. Jun 11, 2008 #16

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    Unless they're going to even the pay by cutting yours, what difference does it make to you? You're not going to get anything less.

    I'm not even saying I would feel differently, but rationally, it makes no difference. It's strange the way the mind works. Maybe it's apocryphal, but I recall hearing of a survey conducted in which people would rather make $50K a year if the average salary was $40K than $100K if the average was $200K, with no chance of inflation. (Numbers are made up, but you get the idea.)
     
  18. Jun 11, 2008 #17

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    Automakers in Germany are unionized and don't have that problem. Hmmm...

    It has more to do with the philosophy of those who live in North America.
     
  19. Jun 11, 2008 #18

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    I never seen science majors grade 50+ essays that are 10-20 pages or more in length.

    Don't be so ignorant.
     
  20. Jun 11, 2008 #19

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    I hope that works out better for you than when I was in grad school. I never even got the normal annual raises because the contract ran out and they took years to renegotiate it, with salary freezes the entire time. When they finally got a new contract, they gave us some pittance of a bonus that didn't even come close to what I should have gotten in a stipend if they had never meddled in the first place.

    Unions are just more harm than good anymore. They benefit the slackers and punish the hard workers. And in this case, hurt students who have nothing to do with their dispute. Hearing that the union is pressuring commencement speakers to cancel and ruin the big day for the graduates would make me more reluctant to give them anything they want...if people working at a university want to piss on the students, they don't deserve jobs at a university.
     
  21. Jun 11, 2008 #20

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    You've never graded biology lab reports then. The reason the science departments pay their TAs better than the liberal arts departments is that the science departments are the ones bringing in the grant funding that pays for a lot more than their share of expenses at the university. Science departments basically are the bread and butter that lets the liberal arts departments exist.
     
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