CNN: It's McCain and Palin

mheslep
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Palin’s Pipeline Is Years From Being a Reality
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/11/us/politics/11pipeline.html
Hmmmmm. So Palin claims she engineered the deal that jump-started a long-delayed gas pipeline project - but there is not pipeline project - well only on paper, where it's been before she took office. ...
Whatever its faults, there was no approved plan at all before Palin, now there is. Previously the pipeline was completely stalled, dead, as the legislature killed Murkowski's deal w/ the North Slope companies. Also, the Alaskan share for the dead Murkowski deal the oil co's would have been 20X, $10B, per the NYT piece. http://dwb.adn.com/money/industries/oil/pipeline/story/8591458p-8484351c.html [Broken] Last edited by a moderator: Evo Mentor Seems like the Trans Canada deal is a bit shady, from Astro's link. The proposal that TransCanada negotiated with the Murkowski administration was structured differently from the current one and had no provision for a$500 million state subsidy, said two people who reviewed it and who spoke on condition of anonymity because the proposal remains confidential.

Of the Palin aides familiar with TransCanada from those earlier negotiations, Ms. Rutherford had an unusually close connection. For 10 months in 2003, she was a partner in a consulting and lobbying firm whose clients included Foothills Pipe Lines Ltd., a subsidiary of TransCanada.

Ms. Rutherford said in an interview that after TransCanada submitted its pipeline proposal to the Palin administration, she and the governor never discussed whether her role on the team might be viewed as improper or give the appearance of a conflict of interest.

<snip>committed the state to paying the winning bidder up to \$500 million in matching money to offset costs of obtaining regulatory approvals and other expenses. Ms. Rutherford, whose team recommended the subsidy, <snip>

Ms. Rutherford, who said she had not lobbied for Foothills but had done research and analysis, stated that she was not one of the pipeline team members who recommended a developer to Ms. Palin. That was done by Mr. Irwin and Patrick S. Galvin, the commissioner of the Department of Revenue, she said.

“At the end of the day, I was not a decider,” said Ms. Rutherford, who acknowledged reading the proposals and discussing them with others on the team.

Mr. McAllister, the spokesman for Ms. Palin, said that Ms. Rutherford was not in a position to gain anything from her past association with TransCanada and that her role posed no conflict.
"Not a decider", in the business those are called "influencers", sometimes responsible for the decision although they don't actually sign contracts.

She's not in a position to have legal, direct benefit. Oh, then that means it's not possible that she profited in any way.

baywax
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"Not a decider", in the business those are called "influencers", sometimes responsible for the decision although they don't actually sign contracts.

She's not in a position to have legal, direct benefit. Oh, then that means it's not possible that she profited in any way.

We've put legislation together where we will only accept IVAN's ALGAE OIL being transported by pipeline across Canadian land. Is there algae in Alaska?

Evo
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We've put legislation together where we will only accept IVAN's ALGAE OIL being transported by pipeline across Canadian land. Is there algae in Alaska?
Does lichen count?

BobG
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Will Palin be kicked off the ticket? (Er, withdraw for personal reasons...) She's being investigated for firing Alaska's Public Safety Director, because, it is said, he refused to fire her ex brother-in-law (a state trooper). It has come out that when she was mayor of her little fiefdom she insisted that each of the town's managers submit their resignations. The head librarian refused, but eventually relented. The police chief refused, so she fired him.

http://www.washingtonindependent.com/3767/palin-involved-in-ousting-scandals-from-the-start

How much more stuff needs to dribble out before Palin regretfully withdraws from the rigors of a national campaign to spend more time with her special-needs infant? Will she need to spend time with her pregnant daughter, who will certainly need some guidance and hand-holding if she is going to weather the heavy scrutiny she's been subjected to, and start a new life as a mother and wife?

McCain's choice of Palin has buried the issues that the GOP needs to define to differentiate McCain from Bush. Her constant presence in the national news (even over a holiday weekend dominated by a hurricane) does not seem like such a good thing for the McCain campaign. Is she on the way out?

Is Joe Biden on the way out? http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/09/11/america/biden.php

"Hillary Clinton is as qualified or more qualified than I am to be vice president of the United States of America," Biden said Wednesday in Nashua, New Hampshire. "Quite frankly it might have been a better pick than me."

Actually, the problem is that the 'debate' has become between the Democratic Presidential nominee and the Republican Vice Presidential nominee. In that, I guess you could say Biden hasn't held up his end of the boat.

Instead of attacking Palin, he's been busy trying to heal the crippled:
"Chuck, stand up, let the people see you," Biden shouted to State Senator Chuck Graham, before realizing, to his horror, that Graham uses a wheelchair. "Oh, God love ya," Biden said. "What am I talking about?"

Joe really better step up his game a little.

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Evo
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Love it! He looks like a used car salesman but his gaffes make him seem like a real person. I like him now.

His saying Hillary would have been as good or a better choice for VP, IMO, will endear more women to him. The acknowledgement will be well received by women. (I am a woman btw, so I should know).

He will need to at least get his facts straight for the VP debate though.

LowlyPion
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Is Joe Biden on the way out?

Actually, the problem is that the 'debate' has become between the Democratic Presidential nominee and the Republican Vice Presidential nominee. In that, I guess you could say Biden hasn't held up his end of the boat.

Instead of attacking Palin, he's been busy trying to heal the crippled:

Joe really better step up his game a little.

I can agree with that. To that extent I think the Republicans count success every day they can keep a squabble going between Palin's right wing nut spinmeisters and Obama. Though I would say that lately they have come out on the short end of the stick trying their smears.

Biden would do well to start a fight with McCain - call him to task for engaging in politics of mudslinging, for reneging on his earlier vows to wage a clean campaign on the issues.

Like where is McCain on the issues? I'd say his smarmy news bites and remembrances of imprisonments past are getting a bit worn at the edges.

chemisttree
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Is Joe Biden on the way out? http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/09/11/america/biden.php

Actually, the problem is that the 'debate' has become between the Democratic Presidential nominee and the Republican Vice Presidential nominee. In that, I guess you could say Biden hasn't held up his end of the boat.

Instead of attacking Palin, he's been busy trying to heal the crippled:

Joe really better step up his game a little.

Obama knew what he was getting when he picked Biden as his running mate: A veteran of six terms in the Senate, chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee and former chairman of the Judiciary Committee, an Irish Catholic with working-class roots, a guy who had twice been tested in the arena of presidential politics.

And a human verbal wrecking crew. This is the fellow who nearly derailed his nascent presidential campaign last year by calling Obama bright and clean and articulate and who noted that you needed a slight Indian accent to walk into a Dunkin' Donuts or 7-11 in Delaware.

The guy who, reading his vice-presidential acceptance speech from a TelePrompter, bungled McCain's name, calling him "George" ("Freudian slip, folks, Freudian slip," he explained).

The guy who, on the day Obama announced him as his running mate, referred to his party's presidential nominee as "Barack America" and noted that his own wife, Jill, a college professor, was "drop-dead gorgeous" but who, problematically, possessed a doctorate.

The guy who has said he is running for president (not vice president) and who confused army brigades with battalions. Who referred to his Republican vice-presidential opponent as the lieutenant governor of Alaska.

I going to be fun watching the verbal wrecking crew in action! (or was that inaction?)

BobG
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I can agree with that. To that extent I think the Republicans count success every day they can keep a squabble going between Palin's right wing nut spinmeisters and Obama. Though I would say that lately they have come out on the short end of the stick trying their smears.

Biden would do well to start a fight with McCain - call him to task for engaging in politics of mudslinging, for reneging on his earlier vows to wage a clean campaign on the issues.

Like where is McCain on the issues? I'd say his smarmy news bites and remembrances of imprisonments past are getting a bit worn at the edges.

Yes, this is what Biden should be doing. Biden is very entertaining to listen to. He's a mix of serious forcefulness and wit. He may be prone to talking a bit too much, but so is McCain. Arguing with McCain is the job Biden was hired for.

It should be Clinton making the attacks on Palin. Her attacks have to avoid the 'working mom' and abortion conflicts, though. The main point is to pit the white female voters' old hero against the new hero. If Palin is lacking in experience or substance, then Clinton is the one who can point it out without raising the gender issue.

All in all, I have to say I'm disappointed how this has turned out. I thought Palin would negate Obama's aura and bring the campaign back down to a level one based on the issues. Instead, the issues have been pushed to the background as trivial.

We seemed primed for one of the stupidest campaign fights ever. Putting lipstick on pigs is now worthy of debate? Sheep, maybe, but lipstick on pigs is just a stupid issue.

LowlyPion
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... Instead, the issues have been pushed to the background as trivial.

We seemed primed for one of the stupidest campaign fights ever. Putting lipstick on pigs is now worthy of debate? Sheep, maybe, but lipstick on pigs is just a stupid issue.

And this trophy can clearly be laid at the feet of McCain, and his total sellout to the Right Wing - the same Wing that did the very thing to him while forwarding their hand-operated Bush Puppet ... er I mean inaction figure ... back in 2000.

He knows how they operate. And he has embraced their strategies. He must know in his heart there is no way for him to ever win a policy debate.

BobG
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And this trophy can clearly be laid at the feet of McCain, and his total sellout to the Right Wing - the same Wing that did the very thing to him while forwarding their hand-operated Bush Puppet ... er I mean inaction figure ... back in 2000.

He knows how they operate. And he has embraced their strategies. He must know in his heart there is no way for him to ever win a policy debate.

Not completely. I have no idea whether Obama saw any connection between his comment and Palin ahead of time, but the crowd listening to Obama definitely saw a connection. It was worth a responding comment, but I just can't believe it was a 'big story'. It was a stupid thing that should have dropped out of the picture almost immediately.

baywax
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I run my snowmobile on lichen and permafrost.

Did anyone see Mr. Obama on Letterman?
Pretty darn good American you got there.

LowlyPion
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Not completely. I have no idea whether Obama saw any connection between his comment and Palin ahead of time, but the crowd listening to Obama definitely saw a connection. It was worth a responding comment, but I just can't believe it was a 'big story'. It was a stupid thing that should have dropped out of the picture almost immediately.

You may well be right that it was intentional or maybe even a subliminal nod to Palin's smarmy self characterization of herself as a pit bull. But whatever the motivation, were it intentional in any way, it was clearly a subtle jab, delivered within the context of contrasting McCain's voting consistently for Bush agenda bills. It is a common metaphor, used widely in the vernacular after all.

If there was any artifice, I'd suggest that Palin calling herself a kind of dog, in a widely broadcast speech, is the provocative act, with Republican attack Kamikazes, apparently at the ready forearmed, to blow away any references to female dogs and act hypocritically self-righteous.

I'd say on the whole the McCain/Palin handlers are the ones that came off less than Presidential in how it was handled regardless of Obama's intent.

mheslep
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...McCain's voting consistently for Bush agenda bills. ...
Simplistic. By the same measure Obama voted with the President 40% of the time, and Democratic lawmakers on average voted with the President more than half the time.

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Astronuc
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Palin leaves open option of war with Russia
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94534529 [Broken]
Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin left open the option Thursday of waging war with Russia if it were to invade neighboring Georgia and the former Soviet republic were a NATO ally. "We will not repeat a Cold War," Palin said in her first television interview since becoming Republican John McCain's vice presidential running mate two weeks ago.
Well considering Russia already did invade Georgia and has slowly been withdrawing. And yes - those tensions from the Cold War have returned if only mildly.

This woman needs to get a grip on reality.

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LowlyPion
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Simplistic. By the same measure Obama voted with the President 40% of the time, and Democratic lawmakers on average voted with the President more than half the time.