Combination of Michelson/Morley and Time Dilation

In summary, the conversation discusses the combination of the Michelson and Morley experiment and Time Dilation in relation to Special Relativity. It is mentioned that the Michelson and Morley experiment failed to measure the velocity of the Earth, but confirmed the prediction of Light-Speed Isotropy. Time Dilation experiments showed that particle lifetimes are affected by relativistic effects, but the mean life of particles is not dependent on them. The conversation also brings up the concept of observers and their different measurements, and how relativity plays a role in these measurements. The overall conclusion is that Special Relativity is still applicable in larger scales, and that the direction of particles does not affect their mean life.
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olli
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Hi,

I found myself trapped in a question on Special Relativity for 15 years now. Because of other new theories (LQG) the question became actual for me again. Maybe some of you can give me anwer on it: Is the combination of the experiments "Michelson and Morley experiment" and "Time Dilation" is testing something different, or is it just the same ?

1. The Michelson and Morley experiment intended to measure the velocity of the Earth relative to the “lumeniferous æther”. It failed, because SR prediction of Light-Speed Isotropy was correct.

2. Time Dilation experiments showed that particle lifetimes are showing relativistic time dilation.

As far as I know, the limited lifetime of e.g. mesons is caused by the weak interaction, a fundamental force. The mean life is depending on the relativic effects caused by the high speed. If the decay process is obeserved by a different inertial system, does the expectation of the mean life follow the Special Relativity ?

For illustration, please imagine the following new experiment:
- We create a lot of pions with a particle accelerator.
- We measure the direction and decay of the pions in space (according to current direction of earth).
- we do not measure the velocity

I feel the pions does not care about the speed of an observer. The EPR paradox on Quantum entanglement showed that Relativity can still be unaffected on larger scales, if it is not based on information exchange. Does the direction of the pions has no measureable effect on the mean life ?
 
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olli said:
I feel the pions does not care about the speed of an observer.
That is correct, they do not. In their own frame they decay at the same rate regardless of any observers.

If one observer said, "the pion is traveling 3m/s to the right and 4m/s forward", and if another observer said, "no, the pion is traveling 5m/s forward" would the pions care? Of course not. Would you even say that the observers disagreed? You might, they certainly use different numbers to describe the same thing, but if you asked them a question that was independent of the coordinate system they would always agree.

The point of relativity is just that a time of 1s later is as dependent on the observer as a direction of 1m right.
 
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olli said:
As far as I know, the limited lifetime of e.g. mesons is caused by the weak interaction, a fundamental force. The mean life is depending on the relativic effects caused by the high speed. If the decay process is obeserved by a different inertial system, does the expectation of the mean life follow the Special Relativity ?
The mean life for such particles do not depend on relativistic effects. However an outside observer's measurement of duration may not agree with the actual lifetime due to relativistic effects.
 
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DaleSpam said:
That is correct, they do not. In their own frame they decay at the same rate regardless of any observers.

Thank you! that's the point.
 

1. What is the Michelson/Morley experiment and how does it relate to time dilation?

The Michelson/Morley experiment was a scientific experiment conducted in the late 19th century to measure the speed of light. It involved using a beam splitter and two perpendicular light paths to detect any changes in the speed of light due to the Earth's motion through the hypothetical "ether". The results of this experiment ultimately led to the development of the theory of relativity, which explains the phenomenon of time dilation.

2. How does time dilation occur in the combination of Michelson/Morley and the theory of relativity?

According to the theory of relativity, time dilation occurs when an object is moving at a high velocity relative to an observer. This means that time will appear to pass slower for the moving object compared to the observer. In the case of the Michelson/Morley experiment, the speed of light was found to be constant regardless of the Earth's motion, providing evidence for the theory of relativity and the concept of time dilation.

3. Can the combination of Michelson/Morley and time dilation be observed in everyday life?

Yes, the effects of time dilation can be observed in everyday life, although they are very small at low velocities. For example, GPS satellites have to take into account the effects of both special and general relativity in order to accurately calculate time and location on Earth. This is because the satellites are moving at high speeds relative to the Earth's surface, causing time dilation.

4. How does the combination of Michelson/Morley and time dilation impact our understanding of the universe?

The combination of Michelson/Morley and time dilation has greatly impacted our understanding of the universe by providing evidence for the theory of relativity and challenging previous notions about the nature of space and time. It has also led to the development of important scientific concepts such as the equivalence of mass and energy, and the concept of spacetime.

5. Are there any other experiments that have further supported the combination of Michelson/Morley and time dilation?

Yes, there have been numerous experiments conducted since the Michelson/Morley experiment that have further supported the combination of Michelson/Morley and time dilation. These include the Kennedy-Thorndike experiment, which showed that time dilation also occurs in rotating frames of reference, and the Hafele-Keating experiment, which demonstrated the effects of time dilation using atomic clocks on airplanes. Additionally, the Large Hadron Collider has provided evidence for time dilation through the observation of high-speed particles.

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