Combinatorics head check

In summary, the conversation is discussing the probability that both Peter and Simon get poisoned, given that the dog ate a healthy fruit. The problem is reformulated into finding the probability that both get poisoned, given 10 fruits of which 3 are poisoned and Peter eats 4 fruits while Simon eats 6. The solution is derived using the formula for calculating probabilities of events and then subtracting this from 1 to get the desired probability. The conversation also mentions an alternative method of finding the probability using the formula for probabilities of events occurring together.
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Gauss M.D.
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Homework Statement



Peter and Simon shares a bag of 11 fruits, of which 3 are poisoned. Peter eats 4 fruits, Simon eats 3 and their dog eats 1 fruit.

What is the probability that both Peter and Simon gets poisoned, given that the dog ate a healthy fruit?

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



The dog simply removed a healthy fruit, so we can reformulate the question as: Given 10 fruits of which 3 are poisoned, what is the probability both Peter (4 fruits) and Simon (6 fruits) gets poisoned?

A = Peter gets poisoned
B = Simon gets poisoned
XcY = X choose Y

P(A) = (3c3*7c1 + 3c2*7c2 + 3c1*7c3)/10c4

P(A[itex]\cap[/itex]B) = (3c2*7c2*1c1*5c5 + 3c1*7c3*2c1*6c4 + 3c1*7c3*2c2*6c3)/(10c4*6c5)

P(B|A) = P(A[itex]\cap[/itex]B)/P(B)

This should work I believe. But I feel like I'm deriving the Fourier heat equation to figure out the boiling point of water. Is there an easier way?
 
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Either of Peter or Simon will be poisoned if they eat at least one poisoned fruit, right? So it is sufficient to calculate the probabllity they get NO poisoned fruit, then subtract from 1.
 
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Gauss M.D. said:
P(B|A) = P(A[itex]\cap[/itex]B)/P(B)

This is not correct.
 
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HallsofIvy said:
Either of Peter or Simon will be poisoned if they eat at least one poisoned fruit, right? So it is sufficient to calculate the probability they get NO poisoned fruit, then subtract from 1.
It asks for the prob that both get poisoned, not that at least one gets poisoned. If you're applying that individually it's true, but that still doesn't deal with the joint probability.
Or maybe you meant this: P(A&B) = 1 - P(!A) - P(!B) + P(!A&!B) (! signifying NOT).
 
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Hint: Get a formula for P(A or B).
 

What is Combinatorics head check?

Combinatorics head check is a method used in combinatorics, a branch of mathematics, to verify the accuracy of a calculation or solution by double-checking the steps and reasoning involved.

Why is Combinatorics head check important?

Combinatorics head check is important because it helps to catch any errors or mistakes in a calculation, ensuring the accuracy of the solution. It also allows for a better understanding of the problem-solving process.

How is Combinatorics head check performed?

Combinatorics head check involves going through each step of a calculation or solution and checking for any errors or inconsistencies. This can include checking for correct use of formulas, accurate counting of possibilities, and logical reasoning.

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The main benefit of using Combinatorics head check is the assurance of accurate and reliable results. It also helps to improve problem-solving skills and can lead to a deeper understanding of combinatorial concepts and techniques.

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