Commuting Operators and Eigenfunctions in One Dimension

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In summary, when two operators commute with each other, it does not necessarily mean that they have the same set of eigenstates. However, there will always be at least one set of eigenstates that is common to both operators. In the specific example given, the eigenstates of ##p^2## were found to be eigenstates of ##p##, but this is not always the case. The fact that two operators commute only guarantees the existence of a common set of eigenstates, but not that all eigenstates of one operator will also be eigenstates of the other.
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For every operator ##A##, ##[A,A^n]=0##. And if operators commute they have complete eigen- spectrum the same. But if I look for ##p## and ##p^2## in one dimension ##sin kx## is eigen- function of ##p^2##, but it isn't eigen-function of ##p##.
[tex]p^2 \sin kx=number \sin kx[/tex]
[tex]p\sin kx \neq number \sin kx[/tex]
where
[tex]p=-i\hbar\frac{d}{dx}[/tex]
[tex]p^2=-\hbar^2\frac{d^2}{dx^2}[/tex]
 
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When two operators commute with each other this doesn't mean that they have the same set of eigenstates. This means that you can alway find a set of eigenstates common to both the operators.
In you particular case the set of common eigenstates must be composed of some other functions.
 
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Einj said:
When two operators commute with each other this doesn't mean that they have the same set of eigenstates. This means that you can alway find a set of eigenstates common to both the operators.
In you particular case the set of common eigenstates must be composed of some other functions.

If I understand your post correctly, you are saying that if two operators commute, then it is wrong to conclude that every eigenstate of one operator is necessarily an eigenstate of the other operator. However it is right to conclude that at least one set of eigenstates of one is a set of eigenstates of the other.

And so the set of eigenstates the original poster found for p^2 just happened to be one of those sets that isn't a set of eigenstates for p.

Is that right?
 
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As a simple example of what is going on here, consider two matrices: diag(1, 1) and diag(1, -1). These matrices commute (after all, one is the identity). Yet the column vector (1 1) is a eigenvalue of the first matrix, but not of the second. The fact that the matrices commute only tells us that there is some basis of common eigenvectors; in this case, the vectors (1, 0) and (0, 1).
 
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DocZaius said:
And so the set of eigenstates the original poster found for p^2 just happened to be one of those sets that isn't a set of eigenstates for p.

Is that right?

That's correct :biggrin:
 

1. What is a commuting operator?

A commuting operator is an operator in quantum mechanics that commutes, or shares the same eigenvectors, with another operator. This means that the order in which these operators are applied does not affect the final outcome.

2. How is a commuting operator different from a non-commuting operator?

A non-commuting operator does not share the same eigenvectors with another operator, and the order in which they are applied does affect the final outcome. This means that the operators do not commute with each other.

3. What are eigenfunctions in one dimension?

Eigenfunctions in one dimension are functions that, when acted upon by a given operator, result in a scalar multiple of the original function. In other words, the function remains unchanged except for a possible scaling factor.

4. How are commuting operators and eigenfunctions related?

Commuting operators share the same eigenfunctions, meaning that the eigenvectors of one operator are also eigenvectors of the other. This allows for simplification of calculations and makes it easier to solve certain quantum mechanical problems.

5. Can commuting operators have different eigenvalues?

Yes, commuting operators can have different eigenvalues. While they may share the same eigenvectors, the eigenvalues can still be different. This is because the eigenvalues depend on the specific operator and the function being acted upon, rather than the relationship between operators.

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