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russ_watters said:They are communist.
And that implies they won't? Explain please.
russ_watters said:They are communist.
jarednjames said:Given the current demands on the UK, US and many other countries regarding emissions and global warming, why should China be any different? I read somewhere once they were having to build 2 coal fired power stations a week to keep up with demand.
Interesting however, read this article, it points out that there are 2 power plants a week, but also that their per person emissions are less than a 'rich' country.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/6769743.stm
infomax said:Coming to track again
I have always realized that the developing trend of American and european civilization is very reasonable,their bases are firm, they have prepared nice conclusions in every step of their civilization and their development is seem to be more matured
While the chinese with lot of hardship (nearly 20 hrswork) have managed to make frog jump in development , but really is it stable?
How many individuals ? How are they supposed to faithfully represent the entire population of a country as large as China, and how do you evaluate the significance of your qualitative judgement on their behavior ? Can you quantify wastefulness somehow ? Is your sample not restricted to a handful of highly educated individual who in addition benefited from the opportunity to live in a quite richer country than the one they came from ? Jason, no offense, did you actually study statistical tests ?JasonRox said:Essentially giving my observation.
JasonRox said:Um... they are all Chinese born. The one that has been here the longest is 7 years and came here at the age 16 and also travels back during that time. Most have been here only 2-3 years at the age of 19-20 or older. Each and every one of them is less wasteful than fellow Canadians. That means something.
humanino said:How many individuals ? How are they supposed to faithfully represent the entire population of a country as large as China, and how do you evaluate the significance of your qualitative judgement on their behavior ? Can you quantify wastefulness somehow ? Is your sample not restricted to a handful of highly educated individual who in addition benefited from the opportunity to live in a quite richer country than the one they came from ? Jason, no offense, did you actually study statistical tests ?
Moonbear said:It could be their vast disagreement with the way things are done in their homeland that they have chosen to leave it to move to Canada.
infomax said:From jasonRox link
study from the University of Arizona in Tucson indicates that forty to fifty percent of all food ready for harvest never gets eaten.
It would be better if they send those food to starving nation like ethiopia and somalia
JasonRox said:If they chose to not be wasteful, coming to Canada is a mistake. Very wasteful people here for sure.
By the age of 6 months, the average Canadian has consumed the same amount of resources as the average person in the developing world consumes in a lifetime.
-Recycling Council of Ontario
http://www.wrwcanada.com/download_facts.htm [Broken]
I don't think the numbers will be that different than an American baby. Seriously, Canada and America is the home to the wasteful.
JasonRox said:It's funny because a lot of the waste China produces is actually from the demand we put on them to produce all the junk we actually waste. So essentially, it's our waste. China should try to do it cleaner, but really, we are the heart of the problem.
lisab said:Just curious, Jason...has this changed at all in Canada, in the last few months (since the recession)?
Here in the US, I've noticed tremendous change in the way people approach their use of non-recyclable commodities.
Sorry to be a bit off topic .
GD means "general discussion", not "you're allowed to make bad arguments".JasonRox said:I thought this was GD.
JasonRox said:I'm stating simple observation of behaviour. They don't ever throw a handful of food in the garbage ever. I see Canadians do that all the time.
JasonRox said:There is no doubt in my mind that waste/pollution measured on a per person basis that the USA would lose. And that's even after China producing the junk for the Americans who waste it.
CRGreathouse said:As your sample is small and not blind or random, it means nothing to me. If it was (somewhat) larger, blind, and random it would be a good measure of how Canadians of Chinese ancestry act wrt waste. But even then I don't know how much it would tell me about China vs. Canada or Chinese vs. Canadians. You're not controlling for income or the differences between expats and the rest of the population.
I'm sure you'd find that waste is higher per person in the US and higher per GDP in the PRC.
JasonRox said:Per GDP... I'm concerned about per person here. Cost of living in the US is very high.
We can't justify the amount of waste going on in Canada or the US.
rootX said:The question being asked was stupid so I provided stupid answer :) - China!
You stated somewhere in the beginning that you lack economics knowledge for the reason you asked this question. So, I would ask you to get some knowledge of economics before you use its terms for discussions among your friends.
infomax said:why does it really bothers you, cannot I quench my thirst ? It is my right
rootX said:We cannot justify the amount of wastage going on in Canada or the US because cost of living in US is very high? I don't think that's what you meant but yet I am interested to know what's wrong.
I only read this post and skipped over few others where you only stating your concern about the wastage.
@OP:
You can go to many statistics websites to see where China, US, others are:
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/Economics/GDP-Growth.aspx?Symbol=CNY
http://www.nationmaster.com/index.php
The question being asked was stupid so I provided stupid answer :) - China!
You stated somewhere in the beginning that you lack economics knowledge for the reason you asked this question. So, I would ask you to get some knowledge of economics before you use its terms for discussions among your friends.
JasonRox said:Per GDP... I'm concerned about per person here. Cost of living in the US is very high.
We can't justify the amount of waste going on in Canada or the US.
Because despite their development pace it is still a totalitarian dictatorship?JasonRox said:Eventually I'm sure China will pass a clean air act just like England and LA did. What leads us to believe they won't?...
mheslep said:Because despite their development pace it is still a totalitarian dictatorship?
That's fallacious JR. There is no "THEIR" country in an totalitarian state.JasonRox said:We are not discussing how they choose to run THEIR country. We are talking about waste.
Totalitarian dictatorship or not says nothing about whether or not they would enforce clean air.
infomax said:I am sorry to state ,please I beg sorry if it hurts
The reality is also that America's development is open at the media level
And the china most work inside without showing outside much to the world
JasonRox said:Lots of waste can not be justified period. That's what I meant. High cost of living or not. GDP ratios. Who cares. Should be on a per person basis.
The waste we produce here is ridiculous and everyone here is trying to find some reason to justify it and point at people from other countries who produce less waste per person. Seriously, get real.
There is no reason why a person here should be able to waste more than a Chinese or European or anyone. None at all. It's one planet.
Office_Shredder said:If you make more money you can afford to waste more. Also, you have more stuff, so it's more difficult to waste the same absolute quantity
No, it certainly does not give you the right, and that's not what's written in the quote you reply to.JasonRox said:So, more money gives you the right to waste more. Hmmm...
JasonRox said:So, more money gives you the right to waste more. Hmmm...
JasonRox said:We are not discussing how they choose to run THEIR country. We are talking about waste.
Totalitarian dictatorship or not says nothing about whether or not they would enforce clean air.
Communist countries operate on a perverted form of the Utilitarian principle where the individual exists to service the state. Their governments don't care about the welfare of their citizens, much less the environment. That's the reason the former USSR is an environmental disaster and China is almost certainly no different.JasonRox said:And that implies they won't? Explain please.
The Chinese government likes to brag about their accomplishments, and the rate with which they are building power plants is something they consider an accomplishment. Their environmental nightmare, on the other hand, is something to suppress.JasonRox said:You guys just said it's hard to get data from China... why are you choosing to believe this fact? It's from the UK not China.
Yeah, it really does. Do you remember the controversy over air pollution during the olympics? That's what they do!Totalitarian dictatorship or not says nothing about whether or not they would enforce clean air.
A country's level of development is determined by a variety of factors, including its economic growth and stability, technological advancement, social welfare and infrastructure, education and healthcare systems, and overall quality of life for its citizens.
In recent years, China's economic growth has surpassed that of America, with a higher GDP growth rate and a larger economy in terms of purchasing power parity (PPP). However, America still has a higher overall GDP and a more diverse and advanced economy.
This is a difficult question to answer definitively, as it depends on how "standard of living" is defined and measured. In terms of GDP per capita, America has a higher average income than China. However, China has made significant progress in improving the quality of life for its citizens, with improvements in healthcare, education, and infrastructure.
Both China and America have highly developed education systems, but they differ in structure and focus. China's education system is known for its emphasis on rote learning and standardized testing, while America's system places more emphasis on critical thinking and creativity. Both countries have high literacy rates and prestigious universities.
Both China and America have strong technological capabilities, but they differ in terms of their focus and strengths. America is known for its innovation and development of cutting-edge technologies, while China has a strong manufacturing and production capacity. Both countries are leaders in different industries and collaborate in many areas of technology.