Complex numbers

[lazypast]

$$Re^{j \theta} = R{(cos \theta + jsin\theta )}$$

can anyone show me this proof or show me a link please

 

[dextercioby]

What do you know about Taylor series ?

Daniel.

 

[lazypast]

I haven't come across this Taylor series much, using this I take it the proof is harder that i suspected

 

[Hootenanny]

I haven't come across this Taylor series much, using this I take it the proof is harder that i suspected

You can also prove this result using calculus. If you have met differentiation, try taking the derivative of f(x) as see where it takes you,

$$f(x):=\frac{R\cos(x)+iR\sin(x)}{Re^{ix}}\hspace{1cm}x\in\Re\;\;\; , \;\;\; R\neq0$$

 

[lazypast]

Although my consistency with things this level arent good here goes

$$f(x)= \frac {Rcosx + jRsinx} {Re^{jx}} = \frac {ln(Rcosx) + ln(jRsinx)} {ln(Re^{jx}} = \frac {-Rsinx} {Rcosx} + \frac {jRcosx} {jRsinx} /j = \frac {jcotx - tanx} {j}$$

 

[Hootenanny]

I'm afraid your technique is not quite correct. Have you met thehttps://www.physicsforums.com/showpost.php?p=1140219&postcount=4"yet? Also, I have noticed that you are using $j$ in your questions; I am assuming here you mean the imaginary unit $i=\sqrt{-1}$. It may also perhaps be desirable to remove the $R$ term for the moment to remove the condition that R be non zero. Thus, we have;

$$f(x):=\frac{\cos(x)+i\sin(x)}{e^{ix}}\hspace{1cm} x\in\Re$$

 

[lazypast]

$$f(x) =\frac {e^{ix}(icosx-sinx) - ie^{ix}(cosx + isinx)} {(e^{ix})^2} f(x) =\frac {ie^{ix}cosx - e^{ix}sinx - ie^{ix}cosx - i^2e^{ix}sinx} {(e^{ix})^2} f(x) =\frac {e^{ix}sinx + e^{ix}sinx} {(e^{ix})^2} f(x) =\frac {2sinx} {e^{ix}}$$

 

[Hootenanny]

Your getting closer, I'll show you;

$$\frac{d}{dx}\left (\frac{u}{v}\right)=\frac{v\frac{du}{dx}-u\frac{dv}{dx}}{v^2}$$

So in this case $u=\cos(x) + i\sin(x)$ and $v=e^{ix}$, thus;

$$\frac{du}{dx} = -\sin(x) + i\cos(x)\hspace{2cm}\frac{dv}{dx} = i\cdot e^{ix}$$

Thus we obtain;

$$f'(x) = \frac{e^{ix}\cdot (-\sin(x) + i\cos(x)) - (\cos(x) + i\sin(x))\cdot i\cdot e^{ix}}{(e^{ix})^2}$$

$$=\frac{-e^{ix}\cdot\sin(x) + e^{ix}\cdot i\cos(x) - e^{ix}\cdot i \cdot\cos(x) - e^{ix}\cdot i^2\cdot\sin(x)}{(e^{ix})^2}$$

Noting that the two consine terms cancel and that $i^2=(\sqrt{-1})^2 = -1$ ;

$$f'(x) = \frac{-e^{ix}\cdot\sin(x) + e^{ix}\cdot\sin(x)}{(e^{ix})^2}$$

$$= \frac{-\sin(x)+\sin(x)}{e^{ix}} = \frac{0}{e^{ix}} = 0$$

What can we say about a function if it has a derivative of zero everywhere in its domain?

 

[lazypast]

I see now, silly mistakes by me.
When a derivative is zero then the things differentiated must have been a constant

 

[C0nfused]

$$Re^{j \theta} = R{(cos \theta + jsin\theta )}$$

can anyone show me this proof or show me a link please

From a book i have read in complex analysis, and from what i understand about the subject, I believe that we just define this equation. I mean, we define that $$e^{a+j \theta} = e^a{(cos \theta + jsin\theta )}$$ . It's simply the definition for complex exponents. You can also reach this equation by using the Taylor series of e^x=1+x+(x^2)/2!+... , using x=ja but it's not any real proof unless you prove that the series converges for any imaginary number ja. Also, how can you check the above equation while the left part of it cannot be interpreted in a certain way?? So, i see it as a definition and not as an equation that you can prove.

 

[FrogPad]

Check http://mathworld.wolfram.com/EulerFormula.html

They show it using an expansion, as dextercioby was eluding to.

Expand e^ix, cosx, sinx and see where that gets you.

 

[robphy]

How about this?

Write $$e^{j\theta}=E(\theta)+jO(\theta)$$,
where $$E(\theta)=\frac{1}{2} (e^{j\theta}+e^{-j\theta})$$
and $$O(\theta)=\frac{1}{2j} (e^{j\theta}-e^{-j\theta})$$,
where the right-hand side is simply the sum of the even and odd parts of the left-hand side. $$j\neq 0$$ has no particular meaning right now, except that it is constant (independent of $$\theta$$).

Then $$\begin{align*} \frac{d}{d\theta} e^{j\theta} &= \frac{1}{2}\left( j (e^{j\theta}-e^{-j\theta} \right)+ j\frac{1}{2j}\left( j (e^{j\theta}+e^{-j\theta} \right)\\ je^{j\theta} &= j^2O(\theta)+jE(\theta) \end{align*}$$
where we have noted that
$$\frac{d}{d\theta}E(\theta)=j^2O(\theta)$$ and $$\frac{d}{d\theta}O(\theta)=E(\theta)$$... a coupled set of differential equations.

Continuing on, we find $$\frac{d^2}{d\theta^2}E(\theta)=j^2(E(\theta))$$ and $$\frac{d^2}{d\theta^2}O(\theta)=(j^2O(\theta))$$... two differential equations... or simply, two questions: what functions are proportional to their second derivatives? Let's now formally require that $$j^2=-1$$. So, now our question is: what functions are equal to minus their second derivatives? (With constants of integration, you'll need to consider the initial conditions to completely determine the functions E and O.)

I'll stop here... but you should be able to finish this off.

 

[FrogPad]

We want to show,

$$e^{ix} = \cos x + i \sin x$$

Taylor expanding yields:

$$\sin x = x -\frac{x^3}{3!}+\frac{x^5}{5!} - \ldots$$
$$\cos x = 1 - \frac{x^2}{2!} + \frac{x^4}{4!} + \ldots$$

$$e^x = 1 + x + \frac{x^2}{2!} + \frac{x^3}{3!} + \frac{x^4}{4!} + \frac{x^5}{5!} + \ldots$$

Finish this off. Remember $(i)^2 = -1$

ex) $$(ix)^5 = i^2 i^2 i x^5 = (-1)(-1)i x^5 = ix^5$$

 

[Hootenanny]

I see now, silly mistakes by me.
When a derivative is zero then the things differentiated must have been a constant

Indeed, that is correct. So, try taking our function, let $x=0$ and see where this takes you.

Of course Euler's formula can be derived using Taylor's series (as dextercioby and Frogpad said), you could also prove this using differentials; I was showing this method simply because you said that you hadn't met Taylor series before, but all proofs are equally valid,although I myself find the Taylor series most elegant.

 

[lazypast]

well my original question has been answered now so thank you all.
as for that last this hootenanny do you mean e^ix= or f(x)=

f(x)=(1+0)/1=1 and e^ix: 1=1+0
but i don't understand what either of these prove

 

[Hootenanny]

well my original question has been answered now so thank you all.
as for that last this hootenanny do you mean e^ix= or f(x)=

f(x)=(1+0)/1=1 and e^ix: 1=1+0
but i don't understand what either of these prove

We have;

$$f(x):=\frac{\cos(x)+i\sin(x)}{e^{ix}}$$

Since we know that f(x) is a constant function it has the same value everywhere in its domain. Therefore, we can say that;

$$f(x) = f(0) \;\;\; \forall \;\;\;x \Rightarrow \frac{\cos(x)+i\sin(x)}{e^{ix}} = \frac{\cos(0)+i\sin(0)}{e^{i0}} = \frac{1}{1}$$

$$\therefore \frac{\cos(x)+i\sin(x)}{e^{ix}} = 1 \Leftrightarrow \cos(x)+i\sin(x) = e^{ix}$$

$$\Rightarrow R(\cos(x)+i\sin(x)) = R\cdot e^{ix}\hspace{1cm}\text{Q.E.D.}$$

Hope this was helpful.