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  1. Jul 26, 2006 #1

    wolram

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    Can you prove that you are not a computer program, or a part of a prorgramed existence, how can you prove you have (free will)? can you prove that the penquin is an (entity) rather than a computer virus ?
    can you show that a flesh and blood (creature) wrote this is false.
    Only serious/ semi serious responses will be given any truck.
     
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    Maybe a very complicated and abstracted painting which can only be explained by sense of integration of images in human mind will work.
     
  4. Jul 26, 2006 #3
    what constituency proof for this question?
     
  5. Jul 26, 2006 #4

    wolram

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    May be you could show the impossibility/possibility of a computer program to respond correctly to the question.
     
  6. Jul 26, 2006 #5

    Danger

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    It's pretty simple, Woolie. No computer could have the imagination necessary to come up with the likes of you. :tongue:
     
  7. Jul 26, 2006 #6

    wolram

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    But do computers need imagination? i guess my existence could be modeled with a series of 1s and 0s, but yours would have to be modeled on (virtual)
    1s and 0s :tongue2:
     
  8. Jul 26, 2006 #7
    mine would be on 1's and 0's with the ocational 2
     
  9. Jul 26, 2006 #8
    Try proving that you are. Presenting some data that is in your favour could be nice before I attack the situation.
     
  10. Jul 26, 2006 #9

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    Ok , i have just found out that tom and jerry are not real characters, but with only the film evidence how can i prove/disprove either way?
     
  11. Jul 26, 2006 #10

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    As you have it stated, there is no such proof. Crudely speaking, there is no way to be sure that what we experience is real - thus there is no way to prove that *anything* is real.
     
  12. Jul 26, 2006 #11
    its a proven fact that we are basicaly made up of 1's 2's 3's and 4's (IE DNA bases)

    so sory but it was ment as a JOKE
     
  13. Jul 26, 2006 #12

    Danger

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    I doubt that. More likely ?s and ~s.
     
  14. Jul 26, 2006 #13

    wolram

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    Well this is a semi/serious thread sir/ess, no jokes allowed :tongue2:
     
  15. Jul 26, 2006 #14

    wolram

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    Only things i can understand will be permited in this thread, i have put you with worm holes, Waaay out :biggrin:
     
  16. Jul 26, 2006 #15

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    I can see my hands. You, on the other hand, exist only on my computer screen....

    In fact, the only person in here that I am absolutely certain is real is Moonbear....
    Irrelevant question. If you have freewill, you damn well better act like it. If you don't have freewill, it doesn't matter if you act like it or if you don't. And since you don't know, you damn well better act like you do.
    The penguin isn't a virus, it is a bot.
    That isn't a sentence, so, uh, no?
    How can I (or anyone else) be serious if I don't exist? I can only be programmed to look serious.
     
  17. Jul 26, 2006 #16

    wolram

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    Typical programed response, ok Russ you can return to the collective now.

    :rofl:
     
  18. Jul 26, 2006 #17

    Hootenanny

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    Somebodies been watching too much of the Matrix methinks :tongue:
     
  19. Jul 26, 2006 #18
    In a computer program, do you have any idea how to create a notion of existance in any piece of the code?
     
  20. Jul 26, 2006 #19

    wolram

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    I do not even want to go down the philisophical road and try to define existance, that is way over my head.
     
  21. Jul 27, 2006 #20
    if we are inside a giant PC, then there must be some kind of circuitry conducting orders in and out of the Universe. i mean, cables connected to your brain, and all. In truth, this circuitry must be very thin, and difficult to discover.

    Seth Lloyd is one of the fanatics of the Computer universe concept, and in March 2006 a book by him appeared in the market

    Programming the Universe: A Quantum Computer Scientist Takes On the Cosmos
     
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