# Homework Help: Conceptual Force question

1. Sep 29, 2010

### DrummingAtom

1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
If the two ends of a rope in equilibrium are pulled with forces of equal magnitude and opposite direction, why is the total tension in the *not* zero?

2. Relevant equations

3. The attempt at a solution
If there are two vectors with same magnitude and opposite direction their sum is zero. So, at the middle point that has to be in equilibrium. Are they asking what the sum is at the end of one side of the rope? Should I be taking the absolute value of each vector and adding them to equal a non zero number?

2. Sep 29, 2010

### Staff: Mentor

No, they are checking that you understand what 'tension in a rope' means. That the net force on the rope is zero happens to be true, but that's not what defines tension.
Nothing like that. You just have to know that tension is the force that the rope exerts. If each end is pulled with a force F, what's the tension in the rope?

3. Sep 29, 2010

### DrummingAtom

T = F1+F2 Right?

4. Sep 29, 2010

### Staff: Mentor

Nope!

What force does the rope exert? You and I are playing tug of war. We both pull our ends with a force F. What force does the rope exert on each of us? (Recall Newton's 3rd law.)

5. Sep 29, 2010

### DrummingAtom

The rope would be an equal opposite force on us, a force toward the center.

6. Sep 29, 2010

### Staff: Mentor

Right. So what will be the tension in the rope in terms of F?

7. Sep 29, 2010

### DrummingAtom

Hmm, well:

If T2= -F2 and T1 = -F1.

And Ttotal = T2 + T1 then

Ttotal = -F2 + -F1

How's that?

8. Sep 29, 2010

### Staff: Mentor

Not quite it yet. For one, there's no T1 and T2 (at least for the usual 'massless' rope) or Ttotal, there's just a single tension. And there's nothing to calculate. If I pull on the rope with a force F, then the rope pulls back on me with a force F. And thus the tension in the rope is simply F.

What's confusing to most--and is the point of this question--is that in order for a tension to be created in the rope both ends must be pulled with the same force. And the tension created is just F, not 2F.

9. Sep 29, 2010

### DrummingAtom

Ahh, it's making more sense now. That explanation helps a lot. Thank you.