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Confused about torque (again)

  1. Dec 22, 2013 #1
    Tell me where I've gone wrong (here r(1,2) means position of point 1 with respect to point 2 etc):

    ω x r(1,2)=v(1,2)
    Differentiating both sides with respect to time:
    ω x v(1,2) + [itex]\alpha[/itex] x r(1,2) = a(1,2)
    =>ω x (ω x r(1,2)) + [itex]\alpha[/itex] x r(1,2) = a(1,2)

    Now let us imagine a uniform rod in free space of length l and mass m, lying with the origin at its centre. A force F(+[itex]\hat{j}[/itex]) is applied at one end (+l/2[itex]\hat{i}[/itex]). We observe the motion about centre of mass first at time 0:
    Icm=ml2/12
    [itex]\tau[/itex]=+l/2[itex]\hat{i}[/itex] x F[itex]\hat{j}[/itex]=F*l/2[itex]\hat{k}[/itex].
    [itex]\alpha[/itex]=6F/(m*l) [itex]\hat{k}[/itex]
    Now since ω=0,
    a(cm, positive end)=6F/(m*l) [itex]\hat{k}[/itex] x l/2[itex]\hat{i}[/itex]= 3F/m [itex]\hat{j}[/itex]

    Now we observe the motion about the positive end:
    [itex]\tau[/itex]=0 (since the force is applied at that very point)
    => [itex]\alpha[/itex]=0
    ω=0
    Hence a(positive end, cm)=0
    =>a(cm, positive end)=0

    What have I done wrong? :(
    Edit: By positive end I mean the end which is on the positive side of the x axis.
     
    Last edited: Dec 22, 2013
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  3. Dec 22, 2013 #2

    Doc Al

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    Things aren't so simple when you take torques with respect to an accelerating point other than the center of mass. You cannot set net torque equal to Iα in such a case.
     
  4. Dec 22, 2013 #3
    Why? And isn't the centre of mass accelerated?

    Edit: Didn't read "other than the centre of mass" part. But still, why is it so?
     
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