Confused by the relationship of work and kinetic energy

In summary: It's not magic. It's just the result of doing an integral.In summary, the conversation discusses the equation for work and its relation to units of measurement, specifically in regards to the quantity of kinetic energy. It is noted that the 1/2 factor in the equation for kinetic energy is a conversion factor and does not affect the dimensions or units in the equation. It is also mentioned that in the equation for work, the speed will change while work is applied, whereas in the equation for kinetic energy, the final speed is used. The conversation also emphasizes the difference between dimension analysis and integration in terms of solving equations.
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So the equation for work is W = F * s
F = m * a, so W = m * a * s
Transferring this to units of measurement gives us: J = kg * m * s-2 * m
Or simplified: J = kg * m2 * s-2
Transferring back to units of quantity: W = m * v2
How can that be correct? Obviously Ekin = 1/2 * m * v2. Where did that 1/2 go? Or is W =/= Ekin? Am I making some other kind of mistake?
 
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Where did that 1/2 go?
It's the rules of Integration. Integrate xdx and you get x2/2
Graphically, it's the area of the v/t triangle or the F/x triangle etc etc.
 
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Oleiv said:
So the equation for work is W = F * s
F = m * a, so W = m * a * s
Transferring this to units of measurement gives us: J = kg * m * s-2 * m
Or simplified: J = kg * m2 * s-2
Transferring back to units of quantity: W = m * v2
How can that be correct? Obviously Ekin = 1/2 * m * v2. Where did that 1/2 go? Or is W =/= Ekin? Am I making some other kind of mistake?

The ##\frac12## is effectively a conversion factor based on your choice of units. In any case, ##\frac12## is dimensionless and doesn't affect the dimensions or units in an equation.

For example, the area of a circle is ##A = \pi r^2##. Both quantities have dimensions of ##L^2## or SI units of ##m^2##. ##\pi## is a dimensionless, unit-less factor based on the geometry of the circle.
 
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Oleiv said:
Transferring back to units of quantity: W = m * v2
How can that be correct? Obviously Ekin = 1/2 * m * v2. Where did that 1/2 go? Or is W =/= Ekin? Am I making some other kind of mistake?
To add a somewhat more physical explanation to the very good posts of @sophiecentaur and @PeroK, when you write the ##v## in the two equations is not the same. In ##E_\mathrm{kin}##, it is the final speed, when the work has stopped, while in the equation for work, the speed will change while work is applied. In the case of constant acceleration, we can write ##W = m \langle v \rangle^2 = mv_f^2/2##, with ##\langle v \rangle## the average speed while the work is applied.

Edit: this assumes also that the speed was initially 0. Otherwise, we would have to write the equations in terms of ##\Delta v## and ##\Delta E_\mathrm{kin}##.
 
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Oleiv said:
So the equation for work is W = F * s
F = m * a, so W = m * a * s
Transferring this to units of measurement gives us: J = kg * m * s-2 * m
Or simplified: J = kg * m2 * s-2
Transferring back to units of quantity: W = m * v2
How can that be correct? Obviously Ekin = 1/2 * m * v2. Where did that 1/2 go? Or is W =/= Ekin? Am I making some other kind of mistake?
Dimension analysis is not the same as doing integration (or algebra if you assume constant acceleration). That's the mistake.

At constant acceleration, s=1/2at2

That's where the 1/2 comes from.
 

1. What is the difference between work and kinetic energy?

Work and kinetic energy are both related to the movement of an object, but they are not the same thing. Work is the amount of force applied to an object over a distance, while kinetic energy is the energy an object possesses due to its motion.

2. How are work and kinetic energy related?

Work and kinetic energy are related through the work-energy theorem, which states that the work done on an object is equal to the change in its kinetic energy. This means that when work is done on an object, its kinetic energy will either increase or decrease depending on the direction of the force applied.

3. Can work be negative while kinetic energy is positive?

Yes, work can be negative while kinetic energy is positive. This can happen when the force applied to an object is in the opposite direction of its motion, causing its kinetic energy to decrease. For example, when a car is braking, the force applied by the brakes is in the opposite direction of the car's motion, resulting in negative work.

4. How does the mass of an object affect its work and kinetic energy?

The mass of an object does not directly affect its work, but it does affect its kinetic energy. The greater the mass of an object, the more kinetic energy it will have at a given velocity. This is because kinetic energy is directly proportional to an object's mass.

5. What is the formula for calculating work and kinetic energy?

The formula for calculating work is W = Fd, where W is work, F is the force applied, and d is the distance over which the force is applied. The formula for calculating kinetic energy is KE = 1/2mv^2, where KE is kinetic energy, m is the mass of the object, and v is the velocity of the object.

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