# Homework Help: Confusion with the gas constant!

1. Oct 6, 2006

### leaf345

For the ideal gas law and van der waals eq'n, R can be a) 8.3145J/(k*mol) or b) 0.082058(L*atm)/(k*mol) . But if I use the first value of R, and try to solve for P my value always comes out as about 1000 smaller than it should be in Pa(ie/ it should be 2000 but it gives me 2). If I use the 2nd value, my value comes out in atm which is okay. But I cant use this value in another eq'n I need, so I don't want to use it. Is the ideal gas law supposed to be in kPa?

2. Oct 6, 2006

### cheechnchong

hey,

i think since the gas constant is being used to calculate pressure...it should be the .082058(L*atm)/(k*mol)

the other one is for thermodynamics...it's units include the energy (J)

correct me if im wrong

3. Oct 6, 2006

### gradeaswimr

gas constants

the gas constant is either 0.08206L*atm/(K*mol) or 8.314L*kPa/(K*mol)

you should be able to use either or. i personally like to use kPa, but if you want to use atm, you could always convert from atm to kPa and the other way around using the equality 1atm = 101.3kPa.

4. Oct 6, 2006

### cheechnchong

i disagree because one gas constant is used for thermo problems (heat and energy) and the other is for pressure probs...There is a definite difference between the two numbers

5. Oct 6, 2006

### Bystander

WRONG!!!! Units of the gas constant are energy per amount of substance per unit temperature; pressure x volume = energy. So long as one is consistent with units throughout a problem, one gets the "same" answer regardless of "which" gas constant one uses.

6. Oct 6, 2006

### cheechnchong

well, yeah thats what i meant when i posted previous response...I was definitely implying units of measurements!--if they give a pressure (atm, kpa, etc) or energy (J, kj...) keep consistent by using the appropriate gas constant

thinking back at my prev response...i can see it's sorta half wrong because i didnt set a stipulation for using a gas constant--my bad ...
they're not different because they're both gas constants
PS: i havent had much experience with vander's law, but ive definitely plugged things into it...

Last edited: Oct 6, 2006
7. Oct 7, 2006

### Staff: Mentor

0.08205783 L*atm/(K*mol)
8.314472 kPa*dm3/(K*mol)
8,314472 L*kPa/(K*mol)
8.314472 J/(mol*K)
62,3637 L*mmHg/(K*mol)
83,14472 L*mbar/(K*mol)
1.987216 cal/(K*mol)

or something

8. Oct 7, 2006

### Stevedye56

pwned

or something...

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