Conservation of Energy w/ Frictional Forces

In summary, a 710 kg rock slides down a 500 m long and 300 m high hill with a coefficient of kinetic friction of 0.23. The gravitational potential energy of the rock-Earth system is set to zero at the bottom of the hill. The value of U just before the slide is 2087400 J. The energy transferred to thermal energy during the slide is -799896.6 J. The kinetic energy of the rock as it reaches the bottom of the hill is 1287503.4 J. The Pythagorean Theorem was incorrectly used to calculate the distance the rock slides, leading to incorrect answers. The correct value for θ is 36.87°.
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maxhersch
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Homework Statement


During a rockslide, a 710 kg rock slides from rest down a hillside that is 500 m long and 300 m high. The coefficient of kinetic friction between the rock and the hill surface is 0.23.
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(a) If the gravitational potential energy U of the rock-Earth system is set to zero at the bottom of the hill, what is the value of U just before the slide?
(b) How much energy is transferred to thermal energy during the slide?
(c) What is the kinetic energy of the rock as it reaches the bottom of the hill?

Homework Equations


U[/B]=mgh
N=mgcosθ
Fƒ=μN
Wƒ=Fƒdcosθ

The Attempt at a Solution


a)[/B] Easy. Uο=(710)(9.8)(300)=2087400 J (Accepted as correct answer)

b) θ=tan-1(300/500)=31°
N=(710)(9.8)cos(31)=5964.2 N
Fƒ=(.23)(5964.2)=1371.8 N
Wƒ=(1371.8)(583.1)cos(180°)=-799896.6 J (This was not accepted as correct answer)

(c)
Uο+Kο=Uf+Kf+Wƒ
2087400+0=0+Kf+799896.6
Kf=1287503.4 J (Also not accepted as correct answer)Please let me know where I went wrong.
 

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maxhersch said:
Wƒ=(1371.8)(583.1)cos(180°)=-799896.6 J
Where did the 583.1 come from?
Should the answer be positive or negative?
 
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haruspex said:
Where did the 583.1 come from?
Should the answer be positive or negative?

583.1 is the distance the rock slides found by the Pythagorean Theorem √3002+5002. I tried both positive and negative with those answers. I assume the work done by friction is always negative since it is opposite the motion. and the kinetic energy should be positive because the velocity would be in the positive x-direction.
 
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You misinterpreted the problem. The 500 is the hypotenuse.

Chet
 
  • #5
Chestermiller said:
You misinterpreted the problem. The 500 is the hypotenuse.

Chet
... which means this is also wrong:
θ=tan-1(300/500)​
 
  • #6
Chestermiller said:
You misinterpreted the problem. The 500 is the hypotenuse.

Chet

Ahh knew I missed something basic. Thanks a lot.
 

What is the law of conservation of energy?

The law of conservation of energy states that energy cannot be created or destroyed, but it can be transformed from one form to another.

What are frictional forces?

Frictional forces are forces that resist the motion of an object when it is in contact with another surface. They are caused by irregularities in the surfaces of objects rubbing against each other.

How do frictional forces affect the conservation of energy?

Frictional forces can convert kinetic energy (the energy of motion) into thermal energy (heat), reducing the amount of total energy in a system. Therefore, they can have a significant impact on the conservation of energy.

How can frictional forces be minimized?

Frictional forces can be minimized by using lubricants, such as oil or grease, to reduce the contact between surfaces. Smoother surfaces and reducing the force pressing the surfaces together can also help to minimize frictional forces.

What are some real-world examples of frictional forces affecting energy conservation?

Some examples include the friction between tires and the road, which converts kinetic energy into thermal energy, and the friction between the moving parts of a machine, which can cause it to lose energy in the form of heat. Frictional forces can also affect energy conservation in sports, such as ice skating or skiing, where friction between the surface and the equipment can impact the speed and energy of the athlete's movements.

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