Are Both Conditions Necessary to Confirm a Conservative Electric Field?

In summary, the conversation discussed the definition of a conservative electric field, with two equivalent statements being \nabla\mathbf{E} = 0 and \oint \mathbf{E}\cdot d\mathbf{l} = 0. It was also mentioned that in most cases, it is easier to use the first statement to check for a conservative field, but knowing the second statement can make later calculations easier.
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I'm being taught electromagnetism at university, but there's one definition that has been left slightly ambiguous for an electric field to be conservative I've been taught that
1) [tex]\nabla[/tex]xE = 0
But I've also been taught that
2) [tex]\oint[/tex] E.dl = 0

But I am not sure if 1) & 2) have to be true for it to be conservitive.
OR that if 1) is true then 2) is true (and visa versa) ie, 1) [tex]\Leftrightarrow[/tex] 2)

So do i have to test for both to check the field is conservitive, or just one and say it implies the other.
 
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2. is a definition, which is equivalent to saying a vector field E is conservative if is can be written as the gradient of some scalar field.
1. can be shown to be equivalent to 2. by writing [itex]\mathbf{E}=\nabla\phi[/itex] and taking the curl.

So, in short, no you don't need to test both. Most of the time it's a lot easier to calculate 1. to check whether the vector field is conservative.
 
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Thanks dude :)
 
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In addition to what cristo said, knowing that (2) is true for a conservative field can make later calculations easier, but as cristo said, (1) is usually easier to calculate. So if you're asked to prove whether a vector field is conservative it is usually best to use (1), but it is also useful to know (2) as well.
 

1. What is a conservative electric field?

A conservative electric field is a type of electric field in which the work done by the electric force on a charged particle is independent of the path taken by the particle. In other words, the work done by the electric field on a particle is only dependent on the initial and final positions of the particle, not on the path it takes to get there.

2. How is a conservative electric field different from a non-conservative electric field?

In a non-conservative electric field, the work done by the electric force on a charged particle is dependent on the path taken by the particle. This means that the work done on the particle will be different if it takes different paths between the same two points. In a conservative electric field, the work done on the particle will be the same regardless of the path taken.

3. What are some examples of conservative electric fields?

Some examples of conservative electric fields include a uniform electric field between two parallel plates, a point charge, and an electric dipole. In these cases, the work done by the electric force on a charged particle will be the same regardless of the path taken by the particle.

4. How can you determine if an electric field is conservative?

To determine if an electric field is conservative, you can calculate the work done by the electric force on a charged particle along different paths between the same two points. If the work done is the same for all paths, then the electric field is conservative. Another way is to check if the curl of the electric field is equal to zero.

5. What are the applications of conservative electric fields in science and technology?

Conservative electric fields have various applications in science and technology. One example is in the design of electric circuits, where the use of conservative fields can ensure that the energy supplied to a circuit is equal to the energy dissipated. In physics, conservative electric fields are also used in the study of potential energy and the calculation of electric potential. They are also important in understanding the behavior of atoms and molecules in chemistry and in the study of fluid dynamics in engineering.

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