Constant current and E field

In summary, the conversation discusses the contradiction between the equations for a constant DC current in a conductor and the concept of an electric field creating a non-zero force on electrons. This contradiction is explained by the Drude Model of conduction, which takes into account the resistance and friction experienced by electrons in a conductor. The concept of inertia and the role of magnetic fields in the movement of electrons is also mentioned.
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dV/dx=E
E*q=F=m*a
dq/dt=I
v/R=I

Say you have a situation where you have a constant DC current in a conductor. Applying the above equations to this situations seems to lead to a contradiction, so I’m confused.

-So if you have constant DC current then that indicates dq/dt is a constant
-If dq/dt is a constant the velocity of the electrons is not changing
-However in order to have a current you need a voltage difference and if you have a voltage difference you have an electric field.
-If you apply an electric field applied to electrons, you have a non-zero force on them. The force indicates that the electrons are accelerating.
-If the electors are accelerating this indicates their velocity is not constant, and hence dq/dt would not be a constant, which contradicts the first statement above.

Where did I go wrong in my reasoning?
 
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Look up the Drude Model of conduction on Wikipedia.
 
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yabb dabba do said:
Say you have a situation where you have a constant DC current in a conductor.
Conductors have resistance, that is the reciprocal of the conductance. An electric field is needed to move current through the resistance. The voltage drop along the conductor, multiplied by the current, is the power generated as heat.
 
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If you imagine the electron as a car driving along a road, it required some force (axial E-field) to accelerate it first of all, but in a perfect vacuum, in a frictionless world, it would require no force (axial E-field) to keep it going. This is what Newton said. In practice, the car experiences some air resistance and friction, equivalent to electrical resistance, so there is a need for a continuing small force (axial E-field) to keep it moving at constant velocity.
During the initial acceleration, by the way, the inertia of the electron is not only created by its mass, but also its need to build a magnetic field as it gains velocity. When we try to stop the electron, the energy stored in its KE and in its magnetic field is given back to us, and is seen in the form of a forward voltage kick, which will often do work in the form of a spark.
 
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1. What is constant current and how is it related to E field?

Constant current refers to the steady flow of electrical charge in a circuit. It is related to the E field, or electric field, as the E field is responsible for creating the force that drives the flow of charge in a circuit. In other words, the E field is what allows for a constant current to exist.

2. How does a changing E field affect constant current?

A changing E field can affect constant current by either increasing or decreasing it. An increasing E field can result in a higher current flow, while a decreasing E field can cause the current to decrease or stop altogether. The magnitude and direction of the E field determine the impact on constant current.

3. What is the relationship between constant current and resistance?

Resistance is the measure of how much a material opposes the flow of electric current. In a constant current circuit, resistance is directly proportional to the amount of current flowing through it. This means that as resistance increases, the constant current will decrease, and vice versa.

4. How can constant current and E field be manipulated in a circuit?

Constant current and E field can be manipulated in a circuit by changing the voltage, resistance, or both. Increasing the voltage will result in a stronger E field, which can lead to a higher constant current. Similarly, decreasing resistance can also increase the constant current. Additionally, changing the components in a circuit can also alter the E field and constant current.

5. What are some real-world applications of constant current and E field?

Constant current and E field have numerous real-world applications, including in electronic devices, power grids, and medical equipment. In electronic devices, constant current is necessary for the proper functioning and protection of components. In power grids, a constant current is needed for efficient distribution and usage of electricity. In medical equipment, E field is used to stimulate nerves and muscles, and constant current helps control the strength and duration of the stimulation.

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