Does Gauss's Law Allow for Non-Enclosed Point Charges on Gaussian Surfaces?

In summary, Gauss's law states that the flux through a gaussian surface is zero when there is no charge enclosed by the surface. This means that the electric field is zero everywhere on the surface. However, this does not imply that the electric field is zero on the surface itself, as the integral of the dot product of the electric field and dA can still be zero without the electric field being zero. It is important to carefully choose the gaussian surface and consider whether or not it encloses the point charge in order to accurately calculate the electric field.
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kaotak
Consider a gaussian surface of arbitrary size and a point charge located outside of the gaussian surface at an arbitrary distance.

Gauss's law states that the flux through the gaussian surface is zero, since there is no charge enclosed by that surface. From this we can deduce that the electric field must be zero everywhere on the surface, since the flux is equal to the integral of the dot product of the electric field and dA. But from Coulomb's Law we know that the E = kq/r^2 at any point on the surface, where r is the distance from the point charge.

It seems to matter what gaussian surface you choose and whether or not it encloses the point charge. If you choose a spherical gaussian surface centered around the point charge, you can easily derive E = kq/r^2. So why does this contradiction occur if you choose a gaussian surface that does not enclose the point charge? Are you simply not supposed to or allowed to do that?
 
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The electric field is not zero on the surface! Only the total flux integrated over the surface is zero, indicating there is no source inside. It might help to think of water flowing through the volume. Gauss's law says as much water leaves as enters, since there's no source. That's different from the flow itself, which is nonzero on the surface.
 
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Imagine that the Gaussian surface is the surface of the moon, and the (positive) charge is located on the earth. On the side of the moon that faces the earth, the electric flux "goes into" the moon, and is negative; whereas on the far side of the moon, the flux "comes out" of the moon (having "passed through" it), and is positive. The net flux over the entire surface is zero.
 
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"From this we can deduce that the electric field must be zero everywhere on the surface, since the flux is equal to the integral of the dot product of the electric field and dA."

A zero integral does not imply a zero integrand.
 
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Meir Achuz said:
A zero integral does not imply a zero integrand.
That comment is misleading. A zero indefinite integral implies a zero integrand. However, a zero definite integral does not imply a zero integrand.
 
  • #6
Gauss's Law can be based on the volume integral of the divergene of the electric field. If there's no charge inside a closed surface, then the divergence of E is zero, and in a couple of simple steps you are done.

Regards, Reilly Atkinson
 

1. What is Gauss's Law and why is it important?

Gauss's Law is a fundamental law in electromagnetism that describes the relationship between the electric field and the charge distribution in a given space. It is important because it allows us to calculate and understand the electric field, which is crucial for many practical applications, such as electronics and power generation.

2. What is a contradiction in Gauss's Law?

A contradiction in Gauss's Law refers to a situation where the calculated electric field does not match the expected value based on the charge distribution. In other words, there is a discrepancy between the theoretical prediction and the actual measurement of the electric field.

3. What are some possible reasons for a contradiction in Gauss's Law?

There can be several reasons for a contradiction in Gauss's Law. One common reason is the presence of conductors or insulators, which can affect the electric field distribution. Another reason could be the presence of non-uniform charge distributions or changing electric fields over time.

4. How can we resolve a contradiction in Gauss's Law?

To resolve a contradiction in Gauss's Law, we need to carefully analyze the system and consider all possible factors that may affect the electric field. This may involve using more advanced mathematical techniques or experimental methods to accurately measure the electric field. It is also important to carefully apply the assumptions and limitations of Gauss's Law in our analysis.

5. Are there any real-world examples of a contradiction in Gauss's Law?

Yes, there have been instances where a contradiction in Gauss's Law has been observed in real-world situations. For example, the electric field distribution around a lightning strike does not always follow the expected pattern based on the charge distribution. This is due to the highly dynamic and complex nature of the electric field in such a scenario.

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