# Converging Lens and Mirror

1. Jun 14, 2014

### Seydlitz

1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data

A small object is located on some distance from a converging lens. At some distant behind a converging lens lies a flat mirror. The resulting image is exactly at the same location as the small object. Why can we deduce that the object is located in the focal point of the converging lens?

3. The attempt at a solution

The first image created by the converging lens will be at infinity if the initial object is at the focal point of the lens. That image at the infinity is located in front of the flat mirror and when used as an object for the mirror, will produce another image at the infinity behind the mirror. This second image is then used as an object for the converging lens. Because this object is at infinity, the resulting image will exactly be on the focal length of the converging lens. Therefore the overall image is at the same place as the focal length.

Does this sound reasonable to you?

2. Jun 14, 2014

### Simon Bridge

That's quite reasonable - note, the mirror provides an image of the converging lens ... so the a mirror at distance d from the lens can be replaced by a converging lens a distance 2d away and you will get the mirror image of the results.

If the object is distance o in front of the 1st lens, and the image is a distance i from the 2nd, then the problem is to find the condition so that o=i.

3. Jun 15, 2014

### Seydlitz

Wow I have never thought it like that, thanks for pointing that one out!

4. Jun 15, 2014

### Simon Bridge

There's also a matrix approach, but I suspect that you are only expected to give a qualitative account.
If you sketched the equivalent situation you should be able to see the only way you get o=i is if the rays from the 1st lens are parallel ... and that only happens when...

I think it is too easy to get used to treating these systems in the abstract.
Mirrors and lenses do not just deal with rays from the object, but from everywhere, and it is not just the principle rays that they deal with either. Worth bearing in mind.

This should now make a bunch of combined element problems suddenly easier.
Enjoy.