# Coplanar force systems

1. Sep 27, 2016

### Robb

1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data

Determine the maximum mass of the lamp that the cord system can support so that no single cord develops a tension exceeding 350 N

2. Relevant equations

3. The attempt at a solution

F(x)=0; F(ED)cos30 - F(CD)= 0
F(y)=0; F(ED)sin30 - W

F(ED)= 2W
F(CD)= 1.73205W

F(X)=0; 1.73205W - F(AC)(3/5) - F(CD)cos45 = 0
F(y)=0; F(AC)(4/5) - F(BC)sin45 = 0

F(AC)= F(BC).88388

This is where I start getting confused. With all the substitutions.

2. Sep 27, 2016

### Tallus Bryne

This is incorrect. Check your FBD and make sure you're writing out your equation with the correct subscripts.

3. Sep 27, 2016

### Robb

From the lower fbd:
F(x)= 0; 1.73205W - F(AC)(3/5) - F(BC)cos45

4. Sep 27, 2016

### Tallus Bryne

Alright, so substitute in for F(AC) in this equation. Use this to write F(BC) in terms of W. Afterwards you can then write F(AC) in terms of W. You will then have expressions for all the forces of tension in the ropes in terms of W. Comparing all of these you should be able to determine which rope develops the maximum tension in this system.

5. Sep 27, 2016

### Tallus Bryne

Also, as a quick alternative to going through all the math: Examine each FBD carefully. Assuming static equilibrium of the ring at point D, it can be said that F(DE) must be larger in magnitude than F(CD) since only one component of F(DE) balances the force F(CD). A slightly more careful consideration of how this strategy applies to the FBD of point C should lead you to find which rope is under the maximum tension. As you can see, most of the trouble in this problem is finding that particular rope.

6. Sep 27, 2016

### Robb

So, F(AC) = .88388F(BC)
1.73205W - F(BC).53033 - F(BC).7071 = 0
-1.23743F(BC) + 1.73205W
F(BC) = 1.39971W

F(AC) = 1.23718W

W = 150

The answer is 17.8? Not sure how to get there.

7. Sep 27, 2016

### Robb

I like the insight. Now that you mention it it looks obvious.

8. Sep 27, 2016

### Robb

See edit to W.

9. Sep 27, 2016

### Robb

Ok. I got it. Sorry. Thanks for your help!

10. Sep 28, 2016

### Tallus Bryne

No problem. Just one last thing.
Not sure if your edit on your post for the value of W worked. Just to clarify it should be 175 N. Although I will assume that you must have gotten that result if you calculated 17.8 kg as the mass.