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Cosmology - limits of science?

  1. Apr 2, 2005 #1
    HA! To believe that the universe was created and "runs" via some infinite intellegence if you would prefer to call it need not be just dismissed by saying it can not be discussed here because it is "religious!".
    FACTS are FACTS, for every x questions the so-called scientists answer with some statistical curve fit does it not seem clear there is about x^n at least new ones that they find that they have that remain unanswered?
    Seems to me if I am going to have the faith that everything in the universe started out from something smaller than a pea I for one need to have some idea that someONE had the idea AND POWER to start it out THAT WAY!
    Are you pile it higher and deeper guys just getting mad because you have to justify your research funding or something? An open mind? wow.
    LOVE and PEACE,
    and,
    PEACE and LOVE,
    (kirk) kirk gregory czuhai
    http://www.altelco.net/~lovekgc/kirksresume.htm
     
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  3. Apr 2, 2005 #2

    Nereid

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    New PFer Kirk ncontributed to Chronos' thread Cosmology for Dummies; however, his most recent post seems to me to belong here.
     
  4. Apr 3, 2005 #3
    Do you have an intelligent point to make, Kirk, or are you just going to shout at all the nasty scientists until they submit to the will of whatever deity you're banging for?
     
  5. Apr 3, 2005 #4

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    It ain't philosophy either, so off it goes.

    Here you go, Evo. :biggrin:
     
  6. Apr 3, 2005 #5

    Danger

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    One quick question, all-knowing one, then I'll leave you alone. If some supreme being created everything, who created him? :grumpy:
     
  7. Apr 3, 2005 #6
    An oldie but a goodie - So where did the "someone" originate from? That always keeps our three dimensional, lack-of-infinity-comprehension minds busy.
     
  8. Apr 3, 2005 #7

    Evo

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    Ah yes, into the PF circular file. :rolleyes:
     
  9. Apr 3, 2005 #8

    Integral

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    I thought that was TD?
     
  10. Apr 3, 2005 #9

    Evo

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    TD is more of a hazardous waste containment area. :tongue:
     
  11. Apr 3, 2005 #10
    well seems for at least the time being we have some going to HELL!
    peace and love,
    and,
    love and peace,
    (kirk) kirk gregory czuhai
     
  12. Apr 3, 2005 #11

    Moonbear

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    Blasphemer! :biggrin:

    That's pretty much the question I have always had too. How is it that people can believe some supreme being has always existed without question as to how that supreme being came into existence, yet can't fathom that something far less complex than a supreme being may have been at the very beginning of everything? I'll admit that the concept of complete nothingness boggles my mind, and the concept that something came from nothing, at least once, boggles my mind even further, but simply ignoring the question by substituting the concept of a supreme being for whatever else came from nothing is even more unsettling to me. It doesn't answer the big question of how everything began at all. A supreme being is still something.
     
  13. Apr 3, 2005 #12

    Moonbear

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    I always love the incongruity of such statements. "I wish you peace, now go to Hell." Yep, that's love for ya! :tongue2:
     
  14. Apr 3, 2005 #13

    enigma

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    Ooh boy!

    I'll bring the marshmallows... who's got the chocolate and graham crackers?
     
  15. Apr 3, 2005 #14

    Danger

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    Just search Evo. No! Wait a sec... let me do that.
     
  16. Apr 3, 2005 #15

    Danger

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    S***, I love this stuff! About the only worthwhile contribution to society that I've ever made in my life is that I'm the guy who got mandatory religious education kicked out of the Ontario school system. It was one hell of a fight, but we beat the bastards. :biggrin:
     
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  17. Apr 3, 2005 #16

    Integral

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    Congratulations for fighting the good fight and winning.

    You may not be such a bad old coot after all. :smile:
     
  18. Apr 3, 2005 #17

    Moonbear

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    Woo hoo! I've got the chocolate. Now we just need the graham crackers.

    Remember, the party is still on level 6!

    https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=53873

    (Now tell us something we don't already know. :tongue2:)
     
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  19. Apr 3, 2005 #18

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    Who you callin' old, Willis?! :wink:

    I can only take credit for instigating it, in conjunction with a classmate. My father was a Unitarian-Universalist preacher, and his was chairman of the church board. We told our respective parents that we'd had it with the BS, and please do something about it. They tried at first just to have Doug and I exempted, but the school wouldn't hear of it. So they convened the board, took on Alan Borovoy who was head of the Canadian Civil Liberties Union, and sued the Essex County school board. They got back-up from the provincial board, and the fight was on. Ended up in the Supreme Court of Canada, and they lost big time. This was in about '68 or '69.
     
  20. Apr 3, 2005 #19
    Too cute.
    I have no idea who you guys are, but I will buy crackers for all.
    Peace and love and burn in hell, now, y'all.
     
  21. Apr 3, 2005 #20
    Kirk, watch more documentaries.
     
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