Cosmology - limits of science?

[Evo]

did you hear me?
SOME PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HELL!

Not me, I have my scapular.

 

[Danger]

Not me, I have my scapular.

Good edit. Thanks.

 

[Math Is Hard]

did you hear me?
SOME PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HELL!
PROOF:---> http://www.altelco.net/~churches/ProofOfGod.htm

I didn't see the word "hell" mentioned anywhere in that article.

I did see some pretty sketchy interpretations of Albert Einstein's "beliefs":

As Einstein pointed out, the significance is that the universe has this moment of pin pulling. It has a beginning. Through the principle of positive fact, if the universe has a beginning, it must have a beginner, hence the existence of God.

To his dying day, Einstein held to his belief that as the result of the verification of his theory of General Relativity, God exists. God created the universe and God is intelligent. Now, we don't deny that God is personal. Einstein died too soon.

 

[Danger]

I did see some pretty sketchy interpretations of Albert Einstein's "beliefs":

Amazing how these people will mis-quote or quote out of context from absolutely any source in order to prove an unprovable point. I suppose they didn't notice that this was also before the acceptance of QM.

 

[Evo]

I did see some pretty sketchy interpretations of Albert Einstein's "beliefs":

It is well known that Einstein referred to himself as agnostic.

“It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.”

Albert Einstein, in a letter March 24, 1954; from Albert Einstein the Human Side, Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, eds., Princeton, New Jersey: Princeton University Press, 1981, p. 43.

“My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment.”

Albert Einstein in a letter to M. Berkowitz, October 25, 1950; Einstein Archive 59-215; from Alice Calaprice, ed., The Expanded Quotable Einstein, Princeton, New Jersey: Princeton University Press, 2000, p. 216.

http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/quotes_einstein.html

 

[Math Is Hard]

I did get a kick out of KGC's 2nd "How to Get Some" link:

http://www.altelco.net/~lovekgc/how2getsome.htm

excerpt:
You'll find that the "higher class" women frequent the "motor inn" and hotel bars. About all you have to do is drop by and join in all the action when there's a convention or ing of people from out of town in one of these places. It's then that you'll find many of the "local eligibles" out on the town, plus
of course a lot of women from out of town who are looking for men. In this kind of situation, most of the women are easy to pick up on, and most of them are in no big hurry to make any real commitments.

Gahh! Reminds me why I always avoided the hotel bars when we had to go to conventions. :yuck:

 

[Danger]

I did get a kick out of KGC's 2nd "How to Get Some" link:

Okay, I just went back and looked at that. I don't know which one weirded me out most.

 

[Math Is Hard]

Okay, I just went back and looked at that. I don't know which one weirded me out most.

I know what did it for me:
To find the action - where there's sure to be lots of eligible women looking for men - look in your local paper... Look for advertisements announcing square dances, neighborhood picnics, travel tours, and of course, festivals or similar special events.

SQUARE DANCES??!

<shudder>

 

[Moonbear]

I know what did it for me:
To find the action - where there's sure to be lots of eligible women looking for men - look in your local paper... Look for advertisements announcing square dances, neighborhood picnics, travel tours, and of course, festivals or similar special events.

SQUARE DANCES??!

<shudder>

:rofl: That's what I'm doing wrong, I haven't attended any square dances lately! And, neighborhood picnics? I don't even bother going to those because it's always just the married couples trying to keep track of the hoards of children they bring along; nobody actually talks about anything other than kids. :yuck: :rofl:

 

[Moonbear]

Okay, I had to follow the link now. I couldn't get past the first paragraph.

but really - there are more eligible women running around loose today than there are men!

Well, duh! We could have told him that! :rofl: :rofl:

But now I get it...he wasn't chiding us for heading toward Hell, he was offering an invitation to join him. He just didn't know we were already there. Ha ha ha!

 

[Math Is Hard]

But now I get it...he wasn't chiding us for heading toward Hell, he was offering an invitation to join him. He just didn't know we were already there. Ha ha ha!

LOL! I do believe you hit the nail on the head! :rofl:

 

[Danger]

SQUARE DANCES??!

<shudder>

At least you can't accuse the name of being an oxymoron.

 

[Moonbear]

At least you can't accuse the name of being an oxymoron.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

 

[SOS2008]

excerpt:
You'll find that the "higher class" women frequent the "motor inn" and hotel bars. About all you have to do is drop by and join in all the action when there's a convention or ing of people from out of town in one of these places. It's then that you'll find many of the "local eligibles" out on the town, plus
of course a lot of women from out of town who are looking for men. In this kind of situation, most of the women are easy to pick up on, and most of them are in no big hurry to make any real commitments.

Brazen Sluts!

"but really - there are more eligible women running around loose today than there are men!" +

...But now I get it...he wasn't chiding us for heading toward Hell, he was offering an invitation to join him...

= an undesirable, desperate man?

 

[Moonbear]

= an undesirable, desperate man?

What, it doesn't turn you on when a guy tells you you're going to hell? :rofl:

 

[Danger]

= an undesirable, desperate man?

Hang on just a second... I resemble that remark.

 

[Moonbear]

Hang on just a second... I resemble that remark.

Only if you've been going to square dances and telling women they're going to hell. :rofl:

 

[Danger]

Only if you've been going to square dances and telling women they're going to hell. :rofl:

Perish forbid! I restrict my dancing to civilized music... from Mitch Rider up to suchlike as Smashmouth and Violent Femmes. That 19-year-old and I won a dance contest to 'Shout' by the Blues Brothers, but I don't think I could handle that with the lung problems. There might be waltzes in my future.

 

[Kirk Gregory Czuhai]

oh YOU PEOPLE! LOL!
if it only WERE a laughing matter!
some people are going to hell!
peace and love,
and,
love and peace,
kirk
http://www.altelco.net/~lovekgc/kl.htm

 

[SOS2008]

It seems many religions believe they will be saved and everyone else will go to hell (e.g., born-again Christians believe the only way to be saved is through Jesus) meaning all other good people of other faiths, or even of no particular organized religion are going to hell. I'm sure many people are well-intentioned (i.e., trying to save the sinners), but even according to these religions it is taught that only God can be the judge.

 

[Math Is Hard]

Speaking of hell, I was reminded of this clever essay:

http://www.greystaples.com/jokes/

Is Hell Exothermic?
Date: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 11:21 AM

The following is an actual question given on a University of Washington chemistry mid term. The answer was so "profound" that the professor shared it with colleagues, which is why we now have the pleasure of enjoying it as well.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bonus Question: Is Hell exothermic (gives off heat) or endothermic (absorbs heat)?
Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using Boyle's Law, (gas cools off when it expands and heats up when it is compressed) or some variant.

One student, however, wrote the following:
First, we need to know how the mass of Hell is changing in time. So we need to know the rate that souls are moving into Hell and the rate they are leaving. I think that we can safely assume that once a soul gets to Hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving.

As for how many souls are entering Hell, let's look at the different religions that exist in the world today. Some of these religions state that if you are not a member of their religion, you will go to Hell. Since there are more than one of these religions and since people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all souls go to Hell. With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in Hell to increase exponentially.

Now, we look at the rate of change of the volume in Hell because Boyle's Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in Hell to stay the same, the volume of Hell has to expand as souls are added. This gives two possibilities:

1. If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell will increase until all Hell breaks loose.

2. Of course, if Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in Hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until Hell freezes over. So which is it?

If we accept the postulate given to me by Ms. Teresa Banyan during my Freshman year, "...that it will be a cold day in Hell before I sleep with you," and take into account the fact that I still have not succeeded in having sexual relations with her, then, #2 cannot be true, and thus I am sure that Hell is exothermic and will not freeze.

The student received the only "A" given.

 

[Zantra]

http://www.hell2u.com/about.php

Ive been to Hell , its near Jackson Michigan.

Good old hell.. I remember with fondness and longing... went fishing there. bet you didn't know hell had a river

incidentally, if there is a hell, I haven't a doubt in my mind that Kirk or someone like him will be there- if only to greet me with with "hah! I told you so!" and drone on endlessly about heaven and hell

 

[Kirk Gregory Czuhai]

if i can be of any further assistance to any of you may write me at:
lovekgc@altelco.net
love and peace,
and,
peace and love,
(kirk) kirk gregory czuhai
http://www.altelco.net/~lovekgc/algebra.htm
http://www.altelco.net/~lovekgc/SupportStarvingArtist.htm

 

[Danger]

It seems many religions believe they will be saved and everyone else will go to hell

Although my dad was ordained Presbyterian (in 1923, fresh with his Masters in Religious Studies from McGill), he evolved as rapidly as circumstances allowed. He became United as soon as it was formed, and Unitarian when one was available. He did some other stuff, back and forth through the years, United again and an informal congregationalist community thing. As soon as a Universalist church needed somebody, he was in. (He always was Univeralist, but had never used the name. He was an agnostic because of his studies.) Anyhow, Universalist comes from the belief in universal salvation; ie. there might or might not be a heaven, but there sure as hell ain't no hell (oxymoron deliberate, for those keeping score).

Speaking of hell, I was reminded of this clever essay:

http://www.greystaples.com/jokes/
The student received the only "A" given.

I actually read that before, but it was nice to be reminded. Never mind the 'A'; the guy should have been graduated with honours on the spot.

Good old hell.. I remember with fondness and longing... went fishing there. bet you didn't know hell had a river

A river at a ski resort? What will they think of next?

if i can be of any further assistance to any of you may write me at:
lovekgc@altelco.net

Doesn't 'further assisistance' imply that there's already been some? Apparently you're not paying attention. And e-mailing you would be a grievous waste of electrons.

 

[Kirk Gregory Czuhai]

there is never a waste of electrons!
http://www.altelco.net/~lovekgc/KingFranklin.htm
http://www.altelco.net/~lovekgc/2go.htm
http://www.altelco.net/~lovekgc/go2.htm
!
some people ARE going to HELL!
love and peace,
and,
peace and love,
kirk
http://www.hell.com

 

[Moonbear]

there is never a waste of electrons!
http://www.altelco.net/~lovekgc/KingFranklin.htm
http://www.altelco.net/~lovekgc/2go.htm
http://www.altelco.net/~lovekgc/go2.htm
!
some people ARE going to HELL!
love and peace,
and,
peace and love,
kirk
http://www.hell.com

Are you going to contribute anything positive here, or are you going to continue to spam us with lists of your own personal websites.

 

[Bladibla]

Are you going to contribute anything positive here, or are you going to continue to spam us with lists of your own personal websites.

Nah he isn't.. and i bet he'll go to hell for that :rofl: :rofl:

 

[Kirk Gregory Czuhai]

oh GO TO HELL!
just kiddin!
l love everybody!
you do know why do you not?
love and peace,
and,
peace and love,
kirk

 

[Bladibla]

oh GO TO HELL!
just kiddin!
l love everybody!
you do know why do you not?
love and peace,
and,
peace and love,
kirk

Too late. Look whos going hell now :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

 

[kaos]

oh GO TO HELL!
just kiddin!
l love everybody!
you do know why do you not?
love and peace,
and,
peace and love,
kirk

persistent little bugger aint he

 

[Bladibla]

persistent little bugger aint he

Yeah, but then again, what do we care? He's going to hell, we're not. He's basically just contradicted himself in this thread, with the loser being just him. We are acting like a catalyst to him. We don't get worn out, the 'substrates' do, which in this case, is Mr 'love and peace'

Hope you have a nice time getting cooked in hell :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

 

[Danger]

Hope you have a nice time getting cooked in hell :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

As an Atheist I do not, of course, believe in hell. He's just going to be recycled. Perhaps, with luck, his atoms will be more useful the next time around. :grumpy: