Unraveling the Mystery of 4π in Coulomb's Law

In summary, the 4π in Coulomb's Law, SI version, is a result of the spherical geometry of the field created by a point charge. They're not dimensionally equivalent. The 4pi is a result of the spherical geometry of the field created by a point charge. They're not dimensionally equivalent. The 4pi is a result of the spherical geometry of the field created by a point charge. Rationalized units differ in where the 4\pi is located depending on how you rationalize Maxwell's equations. The 4π is necessary because of the spherical geometry inherent in the physics.
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Why the 4π in Coulomb's Law, SI version? The CGS version does well without it...:confused:

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Pythagorean said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statcoulomb

They're not dimensionally equivalent. The 4pi is a result of the spherical geometry of the field created by a point charge.

I've read that link you provided...I understand the difference between statcoulomb and coulomb, that they're not dimensionally equivalent. however this comes from the εo, which has a dimension. It doesn't say why the 4π enters the picture
 
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And what's the "spherical geometry of the field created by a point charge"? Could anyone elaborate on that?
 
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So both CGS and SI have the 4π, only in different places? But what is its necessity? Wouldn't it be possible to define the electromagnetic units such that the factor of 4π is eliminated?
 
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It is necessary because of the spherical geometry inherent in the physics. For example, if I have a point source antenna that creates spherical waves, the energy across any spherical surface centered about our source must remain constant in a lossless medium. That is, if we have a lossless medium, then the energy emitted must remain constant. If we emit spherical waves, then the entire energy spread across a given wavefront remains constat as it propagates out in space. If we were to look at the energy at a single point on the wavefront as the wave expanded/propagated, then we would see that the fields would drop off as 1/(4 \pi r^2) since the surface of the wavefront is expanding as a spherical surface.

This is where we get the 4\pi from. In terms of statics, we can look at Gauss' Law. If I place a single point charge at the center of a spherical Gaussian surface, then the total flux through the Gaussian surface of the electric field is proportional to the charge. Through the use of spherical symmetry we can actually derive the actual electric field from this relationship. The result is of course Coulomb's law and once again due to the spherical geometry we acquire the 4\pi factor. But since Coulomb's law is incorporated into Maxwell's Equations, we can move the 4\pi off of Coulomb's law to Gauss' law and not change the resulting physics.
 
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To see how the unit systems of electromagnetic quantities are constructed and understand the relations between its equations I recommend:
Jackson, J.D. Appendix on Units and Dimensions on Classical Electrodynamics.
 
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Thanks, born2bwire! :smile: Your explanation was good.
 

1. What is the significance of 4π in Coulomb's Law?

In Coulomb's Law, 4π represents the constant of proportionality that relates the electric force between two point charges to their distance and magnitude. It is derived from the surface area of a sphere with a radius equivalent to the distance between the two charges.

2. Why is 4π specifically used in Coulomb's Law?

The use of 4π in Coulomb's Law is a result of the symmetry of the electric field. The electric field lines emanate outward from a point charge in all directions, creating a spherical shape. Since the electric field is inversely proportional to the square of the distance between charges, the constant of proportionality must be 4π in order to maintain this symmetry.

3. Can 4π be replaced with another constant in Coulomb's Law?

No, 4π is a fundamental constant that cannot be replaced with another value in Coulomb's Law. It is a result of the geometry and symmetry involved in the electric field between two point charges.

4. Does 4π have any physical significance in Coulomb's Law?

While 4π is a necessary constant in Coulomb's Law, it does not have any physical significance beyond being a mathematical representation of the electric field's symmetry. It does not have any units and is simply a numerical value used in calculations.

5. How was the value of 4π determined in Coulomb's Law?

The value of 4π was determined through experiments and observations of the electric field between two point charges. The inverse-square law, which states that the strength of the electric field is inversely proportional to the square of the distance between charges, was found to be true for all points on a spherical surface with a radius equivalent to the distance between the charges. This led to the conclusion that the constant of proportionality must be 4π in order to maintain this symmetry.

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