News Coup attempt in Turkey

If and this is a big IF the coup results in a secular military government instead of the current Islamic Republic that traded with ISIS for oil, murdered innocent Kurdish people with air attacks on Kurdish separatists and created a government that couldn't be called corrupt because corruption assumes some honest officials existed in the current government it might be for the best instead of a civil war.

 

What is the situation like now, where you are, Garlic?

 

http://www.aljazeera.com/watch_now/

 

Honestly, if there's one thing we should learn from the whole mess that's the middle east, it's that militaries undermining democracy/elections in the name of secularism just doesn't work. And that comes from someone who hates nothing more than political Islam.

 

It better be an attempt by a very desperate and rather inept group of people. The alternative explanation is waayy scarier.

 

Not sure what's your definition of 'working'. If it includes one of the biggest civilian massacres in Egyptian modern history, more than 40,000 imprisoned, hundreds of forced disappearances, protests outlawed, and an entire youth generation that completely lost hope in their country and scared to object, then you're probably right.

 

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http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0YE1M3

 

Yes, I'm sure it is that bad.

I lived under both Morsi and Sisi. Oppression in both cases isn't even comparable. We could and did protest every single thing that Morsi did. It was expected, almost mandatory for every channel and news outlets to criticise him. Heck, I sat through many hours of air time spent on making fun of his English accent and even physical appearance. This isn't because he was benevolent. He wasn't. But he was a joke of a ruler, and he didn't control anything. Had we had a second election it was very likely his party would have lost miserably, and it could've been the end of political Islam in the birthplace of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Under Sisi, on the other hand, no one is allowed to object to anything. All prominent political figures and activists, who were very active under Morsi such as Wael Ghoneim, Bassem Youssef, etc. , had to flee the country. I know teenagers in prison for holding a sign saying 'No to torture'. There have been people arrested for objecting to the government decision to secede two islands to Saudi Arabia.

So yes, I know it is that bad.

I apologise to everyone for derailing the topic. This is about Turkey. I will stop discussing Egypt from now on.

 

This feeble coup attempt will likely feed anti-western and anti-american paranoia in Turkey. Erdogan appears as a defender of democracy. Allegations that he does not have the credentials to qualify for presidency have already disappeared from the media, I am sure.