CS vs Physics vs Math: Which Should I Choose?

In summary, the person seeking advice is a smart individual who struggled with academics in high school and college but has since returned to school and is excelling in mathematics and computer science. They are considering pursuing a career in physics or mathematics, but are unsure of which one to choose. They are also worried about not being as smart as they think they are and potentially struggling in difficult classes. They are seeking advice on what to major in and are limited to only majoring in one subject due to financial reasons. The conversation also includes some discussion about the life of a math graduate student and the potential for combining physics and mathematics as majors.
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lubuntu
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Hello,

I have been lurking around here for awhile and have finally decided to seek the advice of the community elders. Here is my story:

I am smart, I would like to think I am really smart but unfortunatly in high school and my first time through college I somehow went a stray and did not take academics serious.

Now I have been in the work force for a few years and realized 2 major things 1) I hate the corporate world and all that come with it(especially for a lowly IT worker like myself) 2) I want to expand my horizons and get a education in something I find fascinating. I realized that school can be fun and what hated about school was the high school method of: "read this, write that". The only classes in high school I did well were science how many people do you know got A's in honor biology yet would fail English,history, etc? That was me.

So, I have already started attending school again bringing with my few Gen. Ed credits from the first time around and I am doing very well in my classes eg. A's in Calculus and my Java based Computer science class. I hope I am not too optimistic but I think I can work hard and graduate in 3 years and hopefully go to grad school for a Ph.D. Because frankly, that's what I think I want to do in life, I think that is what give me the greatest satisfaction.

Okay, so where is this all going? Everything sounds fine, right? Well, I am majoring Computer Science; now if I have learned anything by working in the tech industry it is that I am not quite as interested as this hobby of mine as a career as I thought I would be. So you are thinking," well, this guy has problems he isn't happy with anything maybe he should just pick one thing and stick with it!"

Okay, I agree. So, here's the thing I love math, I love doing math I am never more relaxed and at peace then when I am doing a math problem, if you love math you might understand what I mean but who knows. And since I was young I loved physics and in particular astrophysics(thanks TNG) . This may not seem so odd on the physics forum but I assure you that none of my peer where reading physics book at 13/14 like I was, and although I didn't understand everything I read I hoped someday I'd go to MIT and invent a way to do FTL travel so we could meet our Klingon friends.

So, if you read all this I am sorry but what should I do? I don't care about what is more lucrative, but now that you know this story what should I major in? I think I want to do physics or math but I am scared that I will get up to the hard classes and then realize I was not as smart as I think I am. I am taking physics over the summer session and I have already gotten the book and started reading it, so when we see how that goes it might help my decision. But, what do you think?

Any comments are appreciated.
 
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You can combine between two or even three of them, but remember that it would take more than 3 years if you combine them.
 
  • #3
frankly I thought of doing so too (combine three of them), but the prospect of staying at the same uni for 5-6 years doesn't look very promising.
so I am only doing physics and maths.
 
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I appreciate the advice but anything more than perhaps a minor is not a real option for me. I am paying my own way through undergrad so the quicker I get out the better and hopefully get into a grad program where they pay me.
 
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Maybe I'm just a bitter ex-CS student, but at least at my school the undergrad CS program cares more about pumping out programmers. Advanced CS topics are almost entirely math, and very satisfying (after all, CS has as much to do with computers as astronomy has to do with telescopes) but at least here, you don't get to see those until you're a grad student, and you'd have been better served with a bachelors in math anyway. So yeah, you're right. CS is out.

Between physics and math? Many people do combine the two with a great deal of success. Whichever one you pick, you should definitely get a minor in the other (with physics you're almost guaranteed a math minor anyway). You're just starting and you think you're pretty bright, so before you choose why not sit down with a math professor and discuss research opportunities at your school and the caliber of grad schools their students usually get into, then sit down with a physics professor and do the same. What they have to say might make things easier for you.
 
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I think I might lean toward physics as the major just because I think that being a math grad student might be a bit boring without labs and stuff. Anyone know more about what the life of a math grad student is like? How about getting into a good physics grad school with physics as only your minor?
 
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lubuntu said:
Anyone know more about what the life of a math grad student is like?

Here is my understanding of the life of a math grad student (taken from the numerous grad students I know):

Monday-Friday:
+Spend a few hours in lecture.
+Spend an hour teaching a bunch of punk freshman how to factor polynomials. You will need to spend even more time preparing how you are going to teach them, and a few hours a week in your office helping them (you should review fractions and adding/subtracting negative numbers too, since most students seem to have trouble with these things).
+Spend the rest of the day in the library reading math books and working out proofs.

Weekend:
You don't have any money (typical stipend seems to be in the 15-20 thousand range: a little more than minimum wage) so you can't really go out and do anything fun (not that you would want to anyway). So you will probably end up in the library reading your math books and preparing your lectures.

Sounds like a great time :rolleyes:
 
  • #8
In Physics, you have the option to be an experimentalist or a theorist. Math only has theorists.

Physics also has more potential to jump disciplines. I've published work in theoretical astrophysics, experimental atomic physics, chaos theory, acoustics, ballistics, and brain injury. I've also done some consulting in blast injury and forensic science, and I've got a few more biology problems on the back burner. I've also earned more than a few bucks as an engineer, and worked as a math teacher.

Michael Courtney
 
  • #9
No one yet has address my biggest worry. I am worried I am going to go into you know my 300 level classes and then realize I am not as smart as I thought I was.
 
  • #10
In my opinion, doing well in school is 90% hard work, 9% smarts, and 1% other. Just work hard and you will do fine.

As for what to major in, that will naturally fall into place: just keep taking classes and you should soon realize what you like and what you don't like. I started out as a physics major but after the second semester I did not care much for it, and so I switched to math.
 
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this is just for undergrad too. If you majored in math and wanted to go to grad school in physics I don't think it would be that hard. I'm a math guy and the upper level classes can hard but a lot is just hard work and experience. Which ever one you choose you're almost certain to take upper level classes in the other too. You can also bounce around to many different subjects from a math degree too. CS is actually almost all math and there is a lot of opportunities in biology too, bioinformatics is a big area. Math is a broad subject in itself so the best think I think you should do is take some more classes in both fields, I'm sure they will go towards your degree, and then make a decision based on your experience and interest from there.
 
  • #12
I would avoid CS. Do the math or physics. Programming is easy for a bright person. I do a lot of programming now, but majored in Electrical Engineering. A lot of physics and math types do programming also.
 
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If you only have a physics minor, you have to really prove you know your physics! If you do well on your physics GRE and take "hard" physics classes to round out the minor, then you should be fine.

On the other hand, if you're already worried about math being boring, and think you're more interested in experimental physics, then schools are going to want lab experience, and maybe won't care so much about your math background - physics it is!
 
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Math certainly isn't boring to me I am just worried I will get lost and do poorly. Calculus has been pretty intuitive for me so far so that is a good sign I suppose?
 
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To clarify I mean to say that math classes at the undergrad don't seem boring to me but doing a Ph.D. in math seems like it would get lonely.
 
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lubuntu said:
To clarify I mean to say that math classes at the undergrad don't seem boring to me but doing a Ph.D. in math seems like it would get lonely.

Well that depends on the how you are. I know a lot of PhD students and they all seem to hang out together or at least know each other. Of course doing a PhD is a solitary task, much more so than working an office job. But there is a community, a community of people who should share your interests.
 
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I was in a similar situation and I just went for it. Luckily I could afford to be out of the workplace for a while. I'm doing math right now, and like someone else said, it's almost all about hard work. If you put in 60+ hours a week, you'll find yourself doing stuff you never thought you could do :)
 
  • #18
i'm in a similar position, debating math vs physics, so i talked to my math professor and he said that right now, us students want to choose whatever major we like, but later on in life, when we have families to support, we're going to want to choose careers that make better money. in pure math, if you decide in the middle of getting your phD that you want to quit, it'll be much tougher to find industry-related jobs than in physics, because at least physics deals with real-world concepts

but if you, like me, hate experiments, then the choice is that much tougher...
 
  • #19
lubuntu said:
No one yet has address my biggest worry. I am worried I am going to go into you know my 300 level classes and then realize I am not as smart as I thought I was.

For me, the 100 and 200 level math and Physics courses were much more challenging than the 300 and 400 level classes. In the 100 and 200 level courses, the math itself was a constant challenge, new material was always coming quickly, and the problems were consistently hard. By the 300 level courses, the math stopped getting harder and things seemed to generally slow down. The material became more of a straightforward application of earlier stuff.

Michael Courtney
 

1. Which field offers more job opportunities, CS, Physics, or Math?

It ultimately depends on the specific industry and job market, but currently, computer science has the most job opportunities and growth potential. However, physics and math also have a range of job opportunities in fields such as research, academia, engineering, and data analysis.

2. What are the main differences between CS, Physics, and Math?

Computer science focuses on the development of computer systems and software, physics studies the fundamental laws and principles of the universe, and math deals with the study of numbers, quantity, and space. Each field has its own unique applications and areas of study.

3. Which field has the highest earning potential?

Again, this can vary depending on the specific job and industry. Generally, computer science and engineering tend to have higher earning potential compared to physics and math. However, with advanced degrees and experience, all three fields can have high earning potential.

4. Which field is the most challenging?

This is subjective and can vary from person to person. All three fields require a strong understanding of complex concepts and critical thinking skills. However, some may find computer science more challenging due to its constantly evolving technology and programming languages, while others may find physics or math more challenging due to their abstract concepts.

5. Can I study more than one of these fields at the same time?

It is possible to study more than one of these fields at the same time, but it can be challenging and may require a heavy workload. It is important to carefully consider your interests and career goals before pursuing multiple fields of study. Additionally, some universities offer interdisciplinary programs that combine aspects of CS, physics, and math.

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