# Curl and div operators

1. Aug 15, 2007

### captain

i am having trouble with understanding the physical significance of these two operators.

2. Aug 15, 2007

### genneth

I've found them easiest to understand in terms of fluid flow. Imagine that you've got a vector field corresponding to the velocity of a fluid. Div gives you the amount that the fluid expands by -- so for most liquids you'd get zero divergence. Curl is more difficult. Imagine tracing out a close loop, and summing how much net fluid flow there is along the loop -- for the case of an infinitesimal loop, that corresponds to the curl.

3. Aug 15, 2007

### Pythagorean

they're somewhat like they sound. Divergence represents change as you get away from a point. Central forces like gravity are divergent: as you get farther away from a source point, the effects change, no matter what direction you go, as long as it's away, in the r-hat direction. (radially outward/inward)

Curl is more synonymous with the magnetic field or turbulent flow. It describes more how things change as you circumnavigate the point. (circumferentially around)

4. Aug 16, 2007

### mathwonk

to measure divergence at a point, put a little sphere centered at the point ans measure the total flow of your fluid across the surface of the sphere in one unit of time (i.e. dot the velocity vector of the flow with the normal vector of the sphere and integrate), and divide by the volume of the sphere. then let the radius of the sphere go to zero.

to measure curl, in the plane, put a little circle centered at the point, and dot the vector field with the tangential vector of the circle, i.e. measure the tendency of the field to rotate around the circle, and integrate, and divide by the area of the circle, then let the radius go to zero.

this seems intuitively pretty much like it anyway.

5. Aug 16, 2007

### abelian jeff

The interactive models allow you to really get a feel for what mathwonk was saying.

6. Aug 16, 2007

### CompuChip

7. Aug 16, 2007

### dx+dy

The physics interpretation of divergence and curl,it is possible to be seen very fast going to an infinitesimal cube.

In Cartesian coordinates, supposing an infinitesimal cube, trim in the origin, we can serve to us as the differential of the field to see its meaning:

$$\ \vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{v} =\underbrace{ \frac{1}{\tau} \underbrace{\oint_S \vec{v} \cdot \vec{ds}}_{\text{flow of field through S}}}_{\text{flow per unit volume of field through S}}$$

Considering that the flow is the coordinate of v that is perpendicular to each face of the cube multiplied by their area, we have:

$$- v_x dxdz + \left( \underbrace{v_x + \frac{\partial v_x}{\partial x} dx}_{\text{ infinitesimal increase of the field on x-axis}} \right) dxdz$$

If you operate this with all the faces of the cube, you will see that you obtain the divergence.

So, we can conclude, that the physical meaning of divergence, is the flow of the field by volume unit.

For the curl, the reasoning is analogous

Last edited: Aug 16, 2007