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## Main Question or Discussion Point

Where should I start from to show that curvature scalar (RiemannScalar) is

2[itex]\frac{R_1212}{det (g_μ√)}[/itex]

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2[itex]\frac{R_1212}{det (g_μ√)}[/itex]

?

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Where should I start from to show that curvature scalar (RiemannScalar) is

2[itex]\frac{R_1212}{det (g_μ√)}[/itex]

?

2[itex]\frac{R_1212}{det (g_μ√)}[/itex]

?

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I am asked to show it by the symmetries of the Riemann tensor by the way.

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Ok here is my thoughts, I try to stay away from the connection coefficients. So, I don't write the R tensors in form of [itex]\Gamma[/itex]'s. So I am trying:

R= g[itex]^{αβ}[/itex] R[itex]_{αβ}[/itex]

= g[itex]^{αβ}[/itex] R[itex]^{c}[/itex][itex]_{αcβ}[/itex]

= g[itex]^{αβ}[/itex] g[itex]^{αb}[/itex] R[itex]_{bαcβ}[/itex]

but now I can't have the R[itex]_{αβαβ}[/itex] form. Since it is 2-d, I put α=1 and β=2, but the c and b contractions doesn't give me what I want.

How can get that 2R[itex]_{1212}[/itex] ?

R= g[itex]^{αβ}[/itex] R[itex]_{αβ}[/itex]

= g[itex]^{αβ}[/itex] R[itex]^{c}[/itex][itex]_{αcβ}[/itex]

= g[itex]^{αβ}[/itex] g[itex]^{αb}[/itex] R[itex]_{bαcβ}[/itex]

but now I can't have the R[itex]_{αβαβ}[/itex] form. Since it is 2-d, I put α=1 and β=2, but the c and b contractions doesn't give me what I want.

How can get that 2R[itex]_{1212}[/itex] ?

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Write out completely the individual components of g

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[tex]

\left[ \begin{array}{cc}

0 & R \\

-R & 0 \\

\end{array} \right]

[/tex]

Now we know that R_abcd = 0 if a=b or c=d by the anti-symmetry properties, and also that R_abcd = R_bacd and that R_abcd = -R_abdc

This, and a little thought, gives us the value of all the components of R, which can be described as an anti-symmetric 2d array of two-forms, i.e. it looks like the array above, but the members of the array are the anti-symmetric two-forms.

Next we just have to compute the contractions to get the Riemann tensor and scalar, which I'm too lazy to do by hand.

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Yes I rewrited everything with g lower index.

I am not sure about that symmetry:

R[itex]^{αβ}[/itex][itex]_{αβ}[/itex]= - R[itex]^{βα}[/itex][itex]_{βα}[/itex]

But I feel I am close to it. Thank you again.

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