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  1. Feb 20, 2004 #1


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    http://www.astronomy.com/Content/Dynamic/Articles/000/000/001/604djcxv.asp [Broken]

    XMM-Newton studies the X-ray universe from Earth orbit.

    A mystery that has been haunting the fields of physics and cosmology has just grown deeper. Dark energy, that stealthy ghost that lurks in the shadows of the universe, is now believed by most scientists to be a strange but significant occupant of the cosmos, an unidentified antigravity that is stretching the very fabric of space. In fact, all the evidence — beginning in 1998 with the discovery of the universe’s accelerating expansion — has added up to an unsettling cosmic recipe: 4 percent ordinary matter, 23 percent dark matter, and 73 percent dark energy. But now, a recent X-ray survey of distant galaxy clusters suggests that perhaps dark energy is not the secret ingredient after all
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    http://www.esa.int/sci_mediacentre/release2003.html?release=54 [Broken]

    Such a result indicates that the Universe must be a high-density environment, in clear contradiction to the 'concordance model,' which postulates a Universe with up to 70% dark energy and a very low density of matter. Blanchard knows that this conclusion will be highly controversial, saying, "To account for these results you have to have a lot of matter in the Universe and that leaves little room for dark energy."

    To reconcile the new XMM-Newton observations with the concordance models, astronomers would have to admit a fundamental gap in their knowledge about the behaviour of the clusters and, possibly, of the galaxies within them. For instance, galaxies in the faraway clusters would have to be injecting more energy into their surrounding gas than is currently understood. That process should then gradually taper off as the cluster and the galaxies within it grow older.
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    Alain Blanchard must be the most important dissident to the
    "concordance" cosmology picture. the leader of the opposition.

    his most recent preprint in arxiv is
    http://arxiv.org/astro-ph/0402297 [Broken]

    I'm not sure but I think
    the article you pointed to in Astronomy magazine
    by Amanda Jefter (dated 23 December 2003) refers
    to earlier articles of Blanchard

    mainly this one
    http://arxiv.org/astro-ph/0304237 [Broken]

    but also this 3-pager
    http://arxiv.org/astro-ph/0311626 [Broken]

    Nereid may have responded to the gist of what
    is in these articles in another thread. I forget which.
    Or I may have. I dont think Blanchard's case is strong
    enough yet to start bringing more people over to his side
    but he certainly bears watching. If he continues to
    assemble evidence of much more dark matter then
    he could start a shift of opinion.

    I think the argument here is between dark matter and dark energy.

    the concordance model says that familiar types of matter total around 4 or 5 percent of the average density in space

    but that leaves 96 percent to account for

    the "concordance" estimate is that it is split 73 d.energy plus
    23 d.matter

    Blanchard's main message, if I understand it, is to give much more importance to dark matter and less to dark energy.

    he may also favor a lower value than 71 for the hubble parameter
    and consequently a lower overall density (so that the observed amount of ordinary matter would play a larger role)

    too bad everybody is so sure about Wendy Freedman's figure of 71 for the hubble parameter----Blanchard would have a hard job getting people to listen to a much lower estimate for that.

    i will try to explain better later when theres more time
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    when two observations disagee with one another there can
    only be so many reasons, if one rules out equiptment used
    and changes in the object observed, then that leaves
    little more than the interpretation of the data, or
    the numbers used in the interpretation of the data ,
    i think latter is the crux of the problem, what standard
    numbers can be used?
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    I have no interest in dismissing Blanchard because I like
    to have possibilities for change in the picture.
    I much appreciate your assembling challenges to the prevailing view.

    but realistically, if you take a hardnose look at it,
    Blanchard has little ground to stand on. He can always
    talk to uncritical journalists and say "maybe the
    accepted model is wrong" and let them amplify it because
    it makes a news story to say an accepted picture is wrong
    (versus no news story to say it is right)

    As for his wanting to adjust the Hubble parameter---the base of data supporting WendyFreedman's 71 is big and solid.

    the HST satellite was put in orbit partly so Freedman's study could be
    done, it was called the "hubble key" project

    the confidence in that 71 +/- 3 is very high

    Blanchard has no measurements to prove that the hubble parameter is, like he surmises, 40-50. He just adjusts it down like that to get some slack to help his other numbers work out.
    the fact that he sometimes adjusts the hubble parameter to be different from what it has been MEASURED is a sign that his picture is probably wrong

    Blanchard's XMM-Omega only looked at a small patch of sky.
    Blanchard's critics have pointed out that the patch he studied might be atypical.
    He himself says his results are not conclusive and a much wider
    survey needs to be done. And Sean Carroll a bigtime cosmologist
    says that there are some other ways to explain
    Blanchard's statistics besides the explanation Blanchard proposes.

    So only a journalist like Amanda Jefter of "Astronomy" magazine would make it look as if the prevailing model had been effectively called into doubt. It is premature to think of this as any more than a preliminary challenge.

    For my part, I'll keep a part of my brain open and ready for surprises. No matter how insigificant Blanchard looks right now (claiming there is more dark matter than the majority think, and less dark energy) he could be right. I want to be prepared to learn someday that the prevailing model was wrong, so I'll keep an eye on Blanchard. You never know from what direction change is going to come.
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    i can see a great deal depends on the Hubble parameter
    over the years its had its ups and downs, but maybe now
    it is stable enough to use as a yard stick, but to base
    everything on it alone is asking for skepticism.
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    measuring the Hubble is the only way we have of gauging the overall density of the universe. without confidence in estimates of this parameter not much quantitative can be said about the universe

    the reason for that (as you wolram probably know but just for explicitness I'll say it) is that

    the critical density for flatness is

    3 H2/8piG

    this is the most basic formula in cosmology IMO
    and when they measure H (by comparing distances with redshifts)
    they are actually measuring the average overall density of energy in the universe

    because if you square H and multiply by 3
    and then divide by 8 pi and then divide by G
    you get the critical density
    which turns out to be about 0.83 joules per cubic kilometer of space.

    you can scoff all you want and be as skeptical as you please
    but that is the bedrock of today's cosmology
    and when Blanchard and the others argue about

    how much of this and how much of that---darkmatter, ordinary matter, pretzels, cosmic chickenpoop or whatever
    the basic thing that governs all their arguments is that
    their numbers for amounts of this and that have to add up

    and they have to add up to 0.83 joules per cubic km.

    if you start fudging with H so that you can get a different
    overall sum to add up to, different from that 0.83 joules,
    then you arent really playing cosmology according to
    today's rules, which is all right with me
    (vigorous science should have a healthy fringe)

    Furthermore I agree that historically the hubble parameter has had a very bumpy ride----estimates jittering around between 40 and 140, or even wider. But now for the time being it is 71.
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    would it be all right to include in this thread reports of new research that SUPPORT the commonplace dark energy estimates?

    or should we have two separate threads and keep this one only for
    evidence that challenges dark energy?

    I will conform with what you think best and move this to a separate thread if that seems good.

    I just saw this. I think it is from middle of 2003 and relates to
    this article:

    It may also relate to this article which reports record-breaking high redshift observations of type Ia supernovae:


    That would tend to date this newsletter article sometime after August of 2003, but I dont know when the article I quote here was written:

    -------from "Hubble newsletter--------

    ..."Right now we're about twice as confident than before that Einstein's cosmological constant is real, or at least dark energy does not appear to be changing fast enough (if at all) to cause an end to the universe anytime soon," says Adam Riess of the Space Telescope Science Institute, Baltimore. ...

    Riess and his team joined efforts with the Great Observatories Origins Deep Survey (GOODS) program, the largest deep galaxy survey attempted by Hubble to date, to turn the Space Telescope into a supernova search engine on an unprecedented scale. In the process, they discovered 42 new supernovae in the GOODS area, including 6 of the 7 most distant known.

    Cosmologists understand almost nothing about dark energy even though it appears to comprise about 70 percent of the universe. They are desperately seeking to uncover its two most fundamental properties: its strength and its permanence.

    In a paper to be published in the Astrophysical Journal, Riess and his collaborators have made the first meaningful measurement of the second property, its permanence. Currently, there are two leading interpretations for the dark energy as well as many more exotic possibilities. It could be an energy percolating from empty space as Einstein's theorized "cosmological constant," an interpretation which predicts that dark energy is unchanging and of a prescribed strength.

    An alternative possibility is that dark energy is associated with a changing energy field dubbed "quintessence." This field would be causing the current acceleration — a milder version of the inflationary episode from which the early universe emerged. When astronomers first realized the universe was accelerating, the conventional wisdom was that it would expand forever. However, until we better understand the nature of dark energy—its properties—other scenarios for the fate of the universe are possible. If the repulsion from dark energy is or becomes stronger than Einstein's prediction, the universe may be torn apart by a future "Big Rip," during which the universe expands so violently that first the galaxies, then the stars, then planets, and finally atoms come unglued in a catastrophic end of time. Currently this idea is very speculative, but being pursued by theorists.

    At the other extreme, a variable dark energy might fade away and then flip in force such that it pulls the universe together rather then pushing it apart. This would lead to a "big crunch" where the universe ultimately implodes. "This looks like the least likely scenario at present," says Riess.

    Understanding dark energy and determining the universe's ultimate fate will require further observations. Hubble and future space telescopes capable of looking more than halfway across the universe will be needed to achieve the necessary precision. The determination of the properties of dark energy has become the key goal of astronomy and physics today.
    --------------end of quote-------------

    If anyone can date this and provide a link please do.
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    some comments

    I've been meaning to get back to the topics we were discussing a while ago (particularly dark matter); I think we covered dark matter at 50,000', but didn't discuss dark energy.

    The diagram I really wanted to show PF members and guests is one I can't now find :frown: (it kinda combined the ones I discuss below, together with estimates of what SNAP would do to the error zones).

    However, there's a good paper, http://lambda.gsfc.nasa.gov/product/map/pub_papers/firstyear/parameters/wmap_parameters.pdf, from WMAP's first year of data, which may illustrate some of what I want to convey. First, the paper lays out in some detail one way to get from WMAP observations to estimates of various cosmological parameters, and how estimates of those parameters are tightened by using other astronomical data.

    The main thing I want to draw attention to is Figure 12, on page 44 (there's a typo in the last line of the text: it should read "calculations for this figure assumed a priori that [tex]w > -1[/tex].")*

    The left hand figures show the [tex]w-\Omega_{m}[/tex] and [tex]w-h[/tex] 68% and 95% confidence regions of these three parameters, for four independent sets of observations (WMAP, the 2dF galaxy redshift survey, distant supernovae, and Hubble Space Telescope on the Hubble constant; [tex]\Omega_{m}[/tex] is the density of matter, and [tex]h[/tex] the Hubble constant); the right hand figures show the same regions with the data sets combined. (Figure 11 on the previous page shows the same thing, for different assumed properties of dark energy).

    Look at how big the coloured regions are (you have to imagine the SN and HST regions; the latter covers just about ALL the bottom left-hand figure!). What does this mean? Well, that just about any point on either left-hand plot is consistent with at least one of the observations. Some of the points would have marginal consistency with the observations (e.g. ruled out at the 95% confidence limit), but there've been examples in physics which are just like that.

    Further, these are only the formal CL regions; as the paper itself makes clear, different analyses of the data will give different CL regions.

    Interestingly, this paper also mentions some of the points raised by Blanchard.

    Note that quite a number of details and possibly confounding effects remain to be run to ground. For example, how much 'foreground contamination' is there in the WMAP angular power spectrum? What as yet unrecognised systematic effects might there be in the distant supernovae data?

    We've come some way since Snowmass 2001, but Resource Book on Dark Energy retains its value.

    a) a non-zero cosmological constant is consistent with the data
    b) so are at least some quintessence models
    c) HST (and other) determinations of [tex]h[/tex] almost, but not quite, rule out the kinds of Einstein-de Sitter model which Blanchard mentions
    d) "the Hubble diagram of distant Type Ia supernovae remains the only direct evidence for a non-zero cosmological constant" (Blanchard) - it's worth looking at these observations in more detail

    ... and so there's lots of work for astronomers!

    *[tex]w[/tex]: "In [...] quintessence models, the dark energy properties are quantified by the equation of state of the dark energy: [tex]w = p/\rho[/tex] where [tex]p[/tex] and [tex]\rho[/tex] are the pressure and the density of the dark energy. A cosmological constant has an equation of state, [tex]w = -1[/tex]."
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    It's from the STScI-2004-12 press release, dated 20 Feb, 2004
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    Phantom energy which violates the dominant-energy condition and is not excluded by current constraints on the equation of state may be dominating the evolution of the universe now. It has been pointed out that in such a case the fate of the universe may be a big rip where the expansion is so violent that all galaxies, planet and even atomic nuclei will be successively ripped apart in finite time. Here we show however that there are certain unified models for dark energy which are stable to perturbations in matter density where the presence of phantom energy does not lead to such a cosmic doomsday.
    MARCUS, i have no objections to use this thread for any
    dark energy, dark matter topic, maybe someone can start
    the continuance of the thread by explaining the properties
    of "dark energy", and how it fits in with the known energy
    spectrum, or if it is a purely gravitational energy, if it
    is why it has no effect on say, deep space probe trajectories.
    maybe the force is canceled in the galaxies, but that
    would suggest a "boundary", or gravity gradient around
    galaxies, I'm babbling.
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    I found the journal article that goes with that news item.
    It is

    Here is a bit from the news item, to provide context

    the abstract of the journal article also talks about finding 6 of the 7 most distant supernovae known

    I guess they were able to look back to a time before the expansion of the universe started accelerating----if the dark energy density is constant and its equation of state is steady at w = -1 then such
    a time of decelerating expansion should have occurred. Just guessing. have to read the article to be sure.
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    Ted Bunn's overview of dark energy on SPR

    Wolram started this thread about the question of dark energy,
    what is the evidence pro and con.

    Ted Bunn one of the moderators at SPR has given a kind of brief overview covering the highlights of this issue. I just saw his post a few minutes ago. It seemed so good I thought we could use it here either to start a "dark energy" thread or to add to wolram's thread.

    It was prompted by a poll someone put up about what do you think dark energy is: cosmological constant, or quintessence, or a delusion (the expansion is not really accelerating and there is no dark energy), or various other things.
    ------------Ted Bunn post--------
    In article <1b7c3dda.0402281450.4c1ffa6b@posting.google.com>,
    Melroy <melroysoares@hotmail.com> wrote:

    >here are the choices:
    >1) cosmological constant
    >2) quintessence or some sort of rolling scalar field

    Personally, I think one of these two is the most likely.

    >3) phantom energy (with w <-1)

    This is theoretically ill-motivated and doesn't have any
    observational support either, so I'd be surprised if it turns out to
    be right.

    >4) general relativity is incorrect and we need another theory of
    >gravity to descrbe universe at cosmological scales which >automatically predicts accelerated expansion

    >5) Same as (4) and this theory will also solve
    >the dark matter problem

    I think these are very unlikely, partly because GR is such a terrific
    theory, and I don't believe it's wrong, but mostly because of the CMB
    observations, which are astonishingly consistent with GR / dark matter
    models. More on this below.

    >6) universe is not accelerating and we are misinterpreting supernova
    >as well as CMB and large scale structure data.

    If all we had was the supernova data, then I'd be tempted by this one.
    But the interesting thing right now is that numerous different lines
    of evidence are all pointing in the same direction, towards a Universe
    with a lowish matter density (Omega_matter = 0.2-0.3 or so) with
    something cosmological-constant-like bringing Omega_total up to 1.
    To be specific, aside from the supernova data, you've got

    A. CMB data. Even without input from any other observations,
    the power spectra from WMAP and other CMB experiments strongly
    say that the Universe is flat, and also fit a low-matter-density
    Universe much better than a high-density one. In other words,
    they strongly suggest something lambda-like all by themselves.

    The theoretical CMB power spectra have bumps and wiggles in them, and
    the data match those wiggles remarkably well. It would be astonishing
    if that fit were by chance. That means that the CMB data alone pretty
    strongly disfavor various no-dark-matter or
    general-relativity-is-wrong scenarios, since the models that generated
    those theoretical power spectra are based on GR + weakly-interacting
    cold dark matter.

    B. Over a decade of observations of large-scale structure observations
    (galaxy power spectrum, peculiar velocities, ...) strongly suggesting
    Omega_matter in the 0.2 range. Theorists spent years pooh-poohing
    these results, but the data have been remarkably consistent for a long

    C. Galaxy clusters. You can take inventories of galaxy clusters a bunch
    of different ways. You can measure how much of various forms of visible
    matter they contain. You can get the overall mass distribution
    from the temperature profile of the hot gas they contain, from
    applying the virial theorem to the motions of the galaxies, and from
    gravitational lensing of background galaxies. These all
    agree on a matter density in the 0.2-0.3 range, with only a small
    fraction of that being baryonic.

    By themselves, B and C don't say anything about Lambda, but combined
    with the CMB data that strongly favor flatness, they do.

    D. Supernovae. Back when the supernova data just showed that distant
    supernovae were fainter than expected, it was pretty easy to imagine
    that some systematic error was the cause. But cosmological-constant
    models predict that supernovae should be fainter than expected at
    moderate redshift and then turn over and become brighter than
    expected at high redshift. Recent observations seem to see that
    turnover. I think it's much harder to explain an effect like that,
    which changes sign at the expected point, with a systematic error.

    Still, if D were all we had to go on, I'd be very skeptical. The
    thing that impresses me is that A-C completely independently
    point to the same model of the Universe, probing completely different
    physics at different epochs.

    >7) something other than first (6)

    This one is always possible! It'd be the most fun of all, of course.
    Personally, I think that the considerable amount of consistency among
    different sorts of cosmological observations suggests that we're on
    the right track, and that the near future in cosmology doesn't have
    any huge surprises like this (although no doubt it'll have lots of fun
    little surprises). But I could be wrong.


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    the "turnaround" in supernova data

    for me the most exquisite bit of evidence in the whole picture is the turnaround
    from "fainter than expected" to "brighter than expected" past a certain z-limit

    it has to do with an inflection-point in a certain breast-shape curve

    assuming a positive cosmological constant (the simplest dark energy explanation) the growth curve of the universe is
    convex, with decelerating expansion, for some ten billion years and then inflects and becomes concave, with accelerating expansion

    what this means is that supernovae with MODERATE redshift, because they are recent, are in the recent accelerating phase, and they will be fainter than would be expected without dark energy

    but also that supernovae with larger redshift, because they happened very long ago during the decelerating phase, will be brighter than expected

    ----quote from Bunn-----
    D. Supernovae. Back when the supernova data just showed that distant
    supernovae were fainter than expected, it was pretty easy to imagine
    that some systematic error was the cause. But cosmological-constant
    models predict that supernovae should be fainter than expected at
    moderate redshift and then turn over and become brighter than
    expected at high redshift.
    Recent observations seem to see that
    turnover. I think it's much harder to explain an effect like that,
    which changes sign at the expected point, with a systematic error.
    ----end quote-----

    the whole thing is unexpected, nobody was planning for a cosmological constant or a dark energy in 1998 when they noticed this deviation in the supernovae that indicated acceleration, but the turnover is a surprise inside a surprise---twisting the knife of the unexpected.

    it makes it a lot harder to fit an alternative explanation to the data or to question the data as some kind of coincidence
    fewer and fewer keys will fit the lock

    I will get the Lineweaver figure 14 showing the growth curve with its inflection point

    the why of that inflection point is not hard to understand, maybe someone will explain why a constant vacuum energy density produces that changeover from decel to accel
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    by MARCUS.

    the why of that inflection point is not hard to understand, maybe someone will explain why a constant vacuum energy density produces that changeover from decel to accel
    now if they can do that with "clean", math it will deserve an
    N P, i can see that evidence for dark energy is mounting up, the
    paper MARCUS posted would be a good starting point for a
    review of the evidence for it, it would be nice if the argument
    is not all one sided lets see what alternatives hold water.
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    We compare the WMAP temperature power spectrum and SNIa data to models with a generalized Chaplygin gas as dark energy. The generalized Chaplygin gas is a component with an exotic equation of state, p_X=-A/\rho^\alpha_X (a polytropic gas with negative constant and exponent). Our main result is that, restricting to a flat universe and to adiabatic pressure perturbations for the generalized Chaplygin gas, the constraints at 95% CL to the present equation of state w_X = p_X / \rho_X and to the parameter \alpha are -1\leq w_X < -0.8, 0 \leq \alpha <0.2, respectively. Moreover, we show that a Chaplygin gas (\alpha =1) as a candidate for dark energy is ruled out by our analysis at more than the 99.99% CL. A generalized Chaplygin gas as a unified dark matter candidate (\Omega_{CDM}=0) appears much less likely than as a dark energy model, although its \chi^2 is only two sigma away from the expected value.

    http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/astro-ph/pdf/0402/0402228.pdf [Broken]

    Unified dark energy models : a phenomenological approach
    V.F. Cardone, * A. Troisi, and S. Capozziello
    Dipartimento di Fisica “E.R. Caianiello”, Universit`
    a di Salerno and INFN, Sez. di Napoli,
    Gruppo Coll. di Salerno, via S. Allende, 84081 -Baronissi (Salerno), Italy
    A phenomenological approach is proposed to the problem of universe accelerated expansion and of the dark energy nature. A general class of models is introduced whose energy density depends
    on the redshift z in such a way that a smooth transition among the three main phases of the universe evolution (radiation era, matter domination, asymptotical de Sitter state) is naturally
    achieved. We use the estimated age of the universe, the Hubble diagram of Type Ia Supernovae and the angular size -redshift relation for compact and ultracompact radio structures to test whether
    the model is in agreement with astrophysical observation and to constrain its main parameters.
    Although phenomenologically motivated, the model may be straightforwardly interpreted as a two fluids scenario in which the quintessence is generated by a suitably chosen scalar field potential. On the other hand, the same model may also be read in the context of unified dark energy models or in the framework of modified Friedmann equation theories.
    PACS numbers: 98.80.-k, 98.80.Es, 97.60.Bw, 98.70.Dk
    In the last few years, an increasing bulk of data has
    been accumulated leading to the emergence of a new
    cosmological scenario. The Hubble diagram of type Ia
    Supernovae (SNeIa) first indicated that the universe expansion
    is today accelerating [1, 2]. The precise determination
    of first and second peaks in the anisotropy
    spectrum of cosmic microwave background radiation
    (CMBR) by the BOOMERanG and MAXIMA collaborations
    [3] strongly suggested that the geometry of the
    universe is spatially flat. When combined with the data
    on the matter density parameter
    M, these results lead to the conclusion that the contribution
    X of dark energy is the dominant one, being M . 0.3,
    X . 0.7.
    This picture has been strenghtened by the recent determination
    of CMBR spectrum measured by the WMAP team
    According to the standard recipe, pressureless cold
    darkmatter anda homogenously distributedcosmic fluid
    with negative pressure, referred to as dark energy, fill the
    universe making up of order 95% of its energy budget.
    What is the nature of this dark energy still remains an
    open and fascinating problem. The simplest explanation
    claims for the cosmological constant  thus leading to
    the so called CDM model Although being the best
    fit to most of the available astrophysical data the
    CDM model is also plagued by many problems on different
    scales. If interpreted as vacuum energy,  is up
    to 120 orders of magnitudes smaller than the predicted
    value. Furthermore, one should also solve the coincidece
    problem, i.e. the nearly equivalence of the matter and 
    contribution to the total energy density.
    As a response to these problems, much interest has
    been devoted to models with dynamical vacuum energy,
    Corresponding author, email: winny@na.infn.it
    dubbed quintessence [6]. These models typically involve
    scalar fields with a particular class of potentials, allowing
    the vacuum energy to become dominant only recently
    (see [7, 8] for comprehensive reviews). Altough
    quintessence by a scalar field is the most studied candidate
    for dark energy, it generally does not avoid ad
    hoc fine tuning to solve the coincidence problem. On
    the other hand, a quintessential behaviour may also be
    recovered without the need of scalar fields, but simply
    by taking into account the effective contribution to cosmology of some (usually neglected aspects)of fundamental
    physics A first tentative were undertaken showing
    that a universe with a non vanishing torsion field
    is consistent with SNeIa Hubble diagram and Sunyaev -
    Zel’dovich data on clusters of galaxies [10]. The same
    quintessential framework can be obtained with the extension
    of Einstein gravity to higher order curvature invariants
    leading to a model which is in good agreement
    with the SNeIa Hubble diagram and the estimated age
    of the universe [11]. It is worth noting that these alternative
    schemes provide naturally a cosmological component with negative
    pressure whose origin is simply related
    to the geometry of the universe itself thus overcoming
    the problems linked to the physical significance of scalar
    Despite the broad interest in darkmatter and darkenergy,
    their physical properties are still poorly understood
    at a fundamental level and, indeed, it has never been
    shown that the two are in fact two different ingredients.
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    one thing i am not clear on, did this decel to accel
    have a starting point or was it universal, for if it
    was universal, started everywhere at the same time, the
    trigger would have to be extremely "pure".
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    I very much hope Nereid will provide some confirmation or correction here.
    What interests me is the observational data for this "turnaround" from decel to accel. How much data do they have already and how much do they need, of supernovas in what z range.

    I am guessing that the evidence for acceleration is mostly from supernovas with z less than 0.5

    and that to be sure about a changeover from an earlier deceleration era to current accelerataion they need a lot of datapoints
    of supernovas in the range z = 0.5 to 1.5 or 1.7

    and they only have a few datapoints so far in the range z bigger than 0.5, because it is hard to find and observe supernovas that far away.

    But it can be done. I seem to remember reading of some observations of Type Ia SNe as far back in time as z = 1.7. Am I misremembering?
    this seems very far away to observe an individual star event. Would appreciate clarification
  20. Mar 4, 2004 #19


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    http://www.detnews.com/2004/nation/0402/22/nation-70295.htm [Broken]

    In the new work, led by Adam Riess of the Space Telescope Science Institute, researchers used the orbiting Hubble telescope to measure various properties of light emitted by 16 exploding stars, known as supernovas. Because the stars are at various distances from Earth, they yield information about what was happening at different points in the past. The supernovas included six of the seven most distant supernovas ever studied, dating two-thirds of the way back to the Big Bang.
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    The recent observations support that our universe is flat and expanding with acceleration. A quintessence model with a general relation between the quintessence potential and the quintessence kinetic energy was proposed to explain the phenomenon. The dark energy potential includes both the hyperbolic and the double exponential potentials. We analyze this model in detail by using the recent supernova and the first year Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP) observations. For a flat universe with vacuum energy which is a special case of the general model, we find that $\Omega_{\rm m0}=0.295^{+0.082}_{-0.075}$ or $\Omega_{\rm \Lambda}=0.705_{-0.082}^{+0.075}$ and the transition redshift $z_{\rm T}$ when the universe switched from the deceleration phase to the acceleration phase is $z_{q=0}=0.68$. For the general model, we find that $\Omega_{\rm m0}\sim 0.3$, $\omega_{\rm Q0}\sim -0.9$, $\beta\sim 0.5$ and $z_{\rm T}=0.5045$.
    this is to heavy for me i will have to read it several times
    to gleen what i can.
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