# Deferred From MIT

1. ### Tom McCurdy

I got a letter today from MIT stating that they were going to review my application again during the regular admission time. They said that it was good that I was able to make it past the early admission cut off, as most people are rejected at this point... I don't know what to do. I am happy and yet a little worried becaue I have to really pick up grades in two classes for mid year report.

2. ### kdinser

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If I had everything to do over again, I would probably set my sights on a school like MIT. Good luck to you man, if you don't get in, UofM is still a good choice.

3. ### Tom McCurdy

thanks alot
I hope I get in as well :0 but I really have to get my physics and math grade up if I want to have any reasonable chance.

4. ### karen03grae

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I wish you luck too...I wish I could go there. Am at A&M now

5. ### samoth1

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To not get rejected outright from MIT is very respectable. Care to post your stats? I'm sure there are many other prestigious you could get into.

6. ### Tom McCurdy

Actually my stats are quite a bit less than what I had hoped for... :grumpy: I hate standarized tests

PSAT
math: 80

Sat Math: 730
Sat Verbal: 620
Sat 2 math ic: 740
Sat 2 math 2c: 730
Physics: 670-- i think can't remember

ACT:
math: 33
science: 31

best combined 29--- I always screw up on one section badly those scores were from 2 different tests

anyway i thinks thats pretty close to what I got...

7. ### Tom McCurdy

Most of the reasons I would be considered would be things that are not scores... activities I do outside of a normal schedule...

8. ### kdinser

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Schools where admission is very competitive like to see that your busy, 80+ hours a week busy. Things like, working, playing sports, volunteering in the community, math clubs, and student government can go a long way to making up for some weaknesses in other areas.

9. ### poolwin2001

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Hats off Mc.
I too am applying for MIT.but we foreigners dont have the early admission option.:(

10. ### marlon

I always have been fasinated with you americans and your "admissions" to universities...For example if a European student would like to apply for lets say MIT, does he/she stand a chance or not...What if this student already has a college degree and wants to persue a phd...is that possible or not...

regards
marlon

11. ### Gokul43201

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Staff Emeritus
It's very possible. All you have to do is go to the University website, and find the Physics Dept page. Somewhere in the Graduate Studies section of this page, there will be a Graduate Admissions form (along with instructions). You can download the form (it's usually a pdf file), fill it, and mail to to the University, along with the other requirements (GRE and Physics GRE scores, TOEFL scores, 3 reference/recommendation letters, official transcripts of your college grades, resume, and a Statement of Purpose).

Some Universities, such as MIT, have most of the application online, and you only have to mail transcripts and reference letters.

Marlon, I'm quite sure you can easily get into a great university. I'm a foreign student myself, and despite not having a Physics degree, I got accepted by most of the Universities I applied too. It should be a piece of cake for you...but hurry if you want to apply for 2005. Must deadlines are in Dec/Jan. If you have any questions, feel free to PM me.

Also, keep in mind that each application involves a fee of anywhere from $40 to$100.

12. ### Grogs

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Tom:

I want to wish you the best of luck getting into MIT. It's certainly a prestigious honor and should really help you achieve all you can academically.

My take on the early admissions process is that it's the school's way to make sure it gets the 'superstars' from the applicants by letting them know early they've been accepted. I got accepted early for college (USMA) and after that I never sent in another application.

That they didn't reject you out of hand is certainly a good sign. It means you've probably got at least the minimum 'reasonable' standards to get in. If your GPA is in line with the top SAT score (the 1470) it should put you within the bell curve of the applicants they accept. As you and kdinser eluded to, with as many applicants as they get each year, the admissions board needs some sort of discriminators to determine who they think will make the best student. This is why extracurricular activities are so important.

Once again, good luck. I wish I could go to MIT, but I think my undergrad grades were low enough that I'd have a snowball's chance in hades.

13. ### pmb_phy

There are pros and cons to going to MIT. The pros are that it looks great on a resume and the profs are well known in their field. The cons are that the students are so competative that you can be certain that you'll get less help from your fellow students than in most other universities and its a well known fact that when students work together they do better. The profs have less time to spend with students than the profs at other universities.

The GRE's count for something don't they? Have you taken them yet?

Pete

14. ### daster

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I finished my MIT application last week. All I'm waiting for are my December SAT-II scores (I hope they're good!)... I retook Physics (got a 670 last time ) and took Writing, and I already have an 800 in Math 2c. I'm also taking the SAT for the first time this January.

Good luck to the both of us this March.

15. ### daster

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pmb_phy, I believe Tom is applying as an undergrad. He doesn't need the GRE.

16. ### cyby

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All I can say is, good luck on getting in. A lot of kids from my HS ended up there, but I got rejected due to the mutual unavailability of an interview. Ah well, that's a few years ago. I am at CMU, so still not bad at all :-)

Good luck to all of you, and even if you don't get in, it definitely isn't a rejection of your academic or other abilities. A lot of these schools can randomly pick a class and it would still be of a very good quality.

:-)

-Cyby-

17. ### pmb_phy

Oops. I thought he was applying for grad school.

Pete

18. ### poolwin2001

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I am scared of my low GPA I got 3.16 while class heighest is 3.66.
P.S:my SAT II Math IIc-700,Physics-770.

19. ### Tom McCurdy

My GPA is 3.659

20. ### pmb_phy

There is one very nice thing that MIT has over other universities. They sort of artificially inflate the GPAs of the students. By this I mean that during the first year is when students tend not to do so well. MIT therefore does not include grades from freshman year in a students final GPA. Therefore if you do horrible the first year and recover the last three and do great then your GPA will appear as if you did great in all 4 years since the first is not included. Other universities include GPAs from all years.

There is one more thing I wanted to mention, but please don't get the idea that I'm bad mouthing MIT in any way since that is not my intention. I'm simly pointing out the pros and cons (which all schools have).

I know several MIT grads, some of whom I worked with. A few are very good friends of mine and are very bright people. They're also very decent chaps and hence I choose them as friends. However there comes to mind two people I used to work with. One I was friendly with and the other one I couldn't stand to be around (as most people couldn't). The first was very good at what she did. But that meant that it was very very hard to convince her that she made a mistake. That negatively effected her work in that it took me a long time to get her to check her work and correct her mistake . It made my work that much more difficult since it was one of my duties to test things she did. So her delays made my work harder. The other one was very very very arrogant. That made working with them hard in the extreme. Personally, without personally knowing a person, an MIT grad would not be the first person I'd want to work with for that reason.

That is not a reflection on the school itself, but the people who choose to study there.

Let me give you an example: I knew some people there and as a result I was allowed to take the GR course (not for a grade but simply to learn the subject). Very few students ask questions. Not because they know the subject solid and have no questions, but I guess it was an ego thing. I recall one time that I was so lost as to what the prof was doing that I simply put my pen down at one point and waited for the class to end (I'd learn the topic later at home). Everyone was sitting there quitely watching (no longer taking notes) and it seemed odd that nobody was asking questions. There was a glazed look over their eyes (as there was mine ). I turned around to a guy I knew and asked Do you have any idea about what he's (the prof) is talking about? and he responded No. But don't worry. Nobody else does either! :rofl:

As far as the school itself goes - They realized that the students won't work together and took steps to correct it. E.g. one of the courses (EM) had a drop out rate of something like 50% (as many courses in physics do). The school restructured the class so that in order for the students to pass they were forced to work together. The drop out rate decreased as a result and the grade average increased. I find it very commendable for the school to take those steps and that is one of the qualities I admire about MIT.

I hope you get an accurate picture of what I'm trying to say. Its a great school obvioulsy. But if you don't get in don't worry. There are a lot of awesome schools out there were you can get a great education. But there are some (in my opinion, very snobby) employers who won't hire anyone who didn't go to a big name school. So I urge you to weigh all the factors and not just consider name and reputation only. The complete rep doesn't always get from ear to ear.

But there are a bunch of very smart people there. For example Alan Guth works there. And he's a very nice guy. One of the nicest people I've ever met. If you go to MIT I suggest trying to get him as an advisor.

Pete

Last edited: Dec 15, 2004