Dense subspace of 1st category

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In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of a dense subspace being of 1st category and clarifies that this does not necessarily mean the interior of its closure is empty. Instead, it means that the set can be written as a countable union of sets whose interiors of closures are empty. An example of this is the set of rational numbers being dense and 1st category in the set of real numbers.
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There's a problem from Rudin's Functional Analysis where I need to show something is a dense subspace of 1st category.

But I thought that it was the definition of dense that its closure is the whole space. Hence the closure doesn't have empty interior. So the dense subspace can't be 1st category.

Can someone clarify?
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A set being 1st category does not mean that the interior of its closure is empty. Instead it means that the set can be written as a countable union of such sets, whose interiors of closures are empty.

For example [itex]\mathbb{Q}[/itex] is dense and 1st category in [itex]\mathbb{R}[/itex].
 
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Thank you for that excellent clarification.
 

1. What is a dense subspace of 1st category?

A dense subspace of 1st category is a subset of a topological space that contains a countable number of smaller subsets. These smaller subsets are called nowhere dense subsets, meaning they have no interior points and their closure has empty interior.

2. How is a dense subspace of 1st category different from a dense subspace of 2nd category?

A dense subspace of 2nd category contains no nowhere dense subsets, while a dense subspace of 1st category can have countably many nowhere dense subsets. In other words, a dense subspace of 1st category is "less dense" than a dense subspace of 2nd category.

3. What is the significance of dense subspaces of 1st category in topology?

Dense subspaces of 1st category play an important role in topology as they help characterize the structure of topological spaces. They are used to classify different types of spaces and to prove theorems related to completeness and compactness.

4. How can a dense subspace of 1st category be constructed?

A dense subspace of 1st category can be constructed by taking a countable union of nowhere dense subsets in a topological space. This can also be done by taking the complement of a dense subspace of 2nd category.

5. Can a topological space have both dense subspaces of 1st and 2nd category?

Yes, a topological space can have both dense subspaces of 1st and 2nd category. For example, the set of irrational numbers in the real numbers is a dense subspace of 1st category, while the set of rational numbers is a dense subspace of 2nd category.

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