Deriving Max Symmetric Space from Spherically Symmetric - Sean M. Carroll

In summary: Eq. 8.4 is the general form of a spherically symmetric metric at constant time. The vacuum assumption is not made until later, to simplify the equations.In summary, the use of eq. 8.4 in deriving the FRW metric is not related to the general form of a spherically symmetric metric as seen in eq. 7.13. Instead, eq. 8.4 is the expression for the metric of a spatial slice of constant time, with the time dependence already factored out. The appearance of ##\beta(r)## in eq. 8.4 is just a similarity of notation and does not mean that it was derived the same way as eq. 7.20. The
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I'm looking at Lecture Notes on General Relativity, Sean M. Carroll, deriving the FRW metric, and I'm a little confused with the use of eq 8.4 .

I thought instead it should be using the general form of a spherically symmetric metric, not a vacuum spherical symmetric - eq 7.13 has been derived from 8.4 by solving ##R_{uv}=0## enabling us to loose the time dependence in the function ## \beta(t,r) ## as we don't want a vacuum solution here at all?

What has enabled us to conclude ## \beta(t,r) = \beta(r) ##

Thanks in advance.
 
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Maybe if you actually typed out the equations you are referring to, I could help. I don't have a copy of Carroll with me though.
 
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binbagsss said:
eq 7.13 has been derived from 8.4 by solving ##R_{uv}=0##

Carroll is not talking in Chapter 8 about the process that leads from eq. 7.13 to eq. 7.20 (btw, it's eq. 7.20, not 7.13, that is derived by solving ##R_{uv} = 0)##; eq. 7.13 is the form of the metric considered in Chapter 7 before that is done). The appearance of ##\beta(r)## in eq. 8.4 does not actually refer to eq. 7.20. Carroll leaves out some steps here; let's try to put them back in.

In eq. 8.1 Carroll gives the general form of the metric he will be considering, which is different from the general form he considers in Chapter 7. Eq. 8.1 has just plain ##- dt^2## in the line element, where in Chapter 7 there was a coefficient there, and eq. 8.1 splits out the time dependence of the spatial part of the metric into the function ##a^2 (t)##, which multiplies the entire spatial metric, where in Chapter 7 the time dependence (before the vacuum assumption is made to remove it in deriving eq. 7.13) is only in the ##dr^2## part of the spatial metric (and is also in the ##dt^2## term).

So in eq. 8.4, the coefficient of the ##dr^2## term only depends on ##r## because the time dependence has already been factored out; note that eq. 8.4 is an expression for ##\gamma_{ij} du^i du^j##, i.e., for the part that is multiplied by ##a^2(t)## in eq. 8.1. In other words, eq. 8.4 is the expression for the metric of a spatial slice of constant time, with the actual distance scale (the scale factor ##a(t)##) removed. The form of eq. 8.4 is just the general metric of a spherically symmetric 3-space. The appearance of ##\beta(r)## in eq. 8.4 is just a similarity of notation with Chapter 7; it does not mean that eq. 8.4 was derived the way eq. 7.20 was derived.
 

1. What is the concept of deriving max symmetric space from spherically symmetric?

The concept of deriving max symmetric space from spherically symmetric is based on the idea that a space can have a maximum degree of symmetry, known as maximal symmetry, which is achieved when all points in the space are equivalent. This is often described as "curvature being the same at every point." Spherical symmetry is a type of symmetry where the curvature of a space is the same at every point along a sphere, but not necessarily at every point in the entire space. Deriving maximum symmetric space from spherically symmetric involves finding a way to make the curvature the same at every point in the entire space, thus achieving maximal symmetry.

2. How does the concept of maximal symmetry relate to general relativity?

Maximal symmetry is closely related to general relativity, as it is a key component of the theory. In general relativity, the curvature of spacetime is described by the Einstein field equations. These equations show that spacetime has maximal symmetry when the stress-energy tensor, which describes the distribution of matter and energy in the space, is equal to zero. This is known as the vacuum solution, and it is a key component of understanding the behavior of spacetime in general relativity.

3. What are some examples of spaces with maximal symmetry?

Some examples of spaces with maximal symmetry include the Minkowski space, which is the basis for special relativity, and the de Sitter space, which is a solution to the Einstein field equations that describes an expanding universe. Other examples include the anti-de Sitter space, which describes a universe with negative curvature, and the Reissner-Nordström black hole, which has maximal symmetry at the event horizon.

4. How is the concept of maximal symmetry relevant to our understanding of the universe?

The concept of maximal symmetry is highly relevant to our understanding of the universe, as it helps us to describe the behavior of spacetime in different scenarios. For example, it is used in cosmology to describe the large-scale structure of the universe and to study the effects of gravity on the expansion of the universe. It is also relevant to our understanding of black holes and their properties, as well as in the study of other physical phenomena, such as quantum gravity.

5. How does Sean M. Carroll's work contribute to our understanding of maximal symmetry?

Sean M. Carroll's work on deriving maximal symmetric space from spherically symmetric has contributed to our understanding of maximal symmetry by providing a more comprehensive and rigorous approach to this concept. His work has helped to clarify the relationship between maximal symmetry and general relativity, and has also provided new insights into the behavior of spacetime in different scenarios. His research has also led to new developments in the study of quantum gravity and the nature of black holes.

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