# Determination of Amino Acid

Youngster

## Homework Statement

7.39 mmol of base was used when titrating 432 mg of a monoamine monocarboxylic amino acid from pH 0.8 to 12.0. What is the name of the amino acid?

## Homework Equations

None I suppose. Henderson-Hasselbalch perhaps, but I don't see how that helps me

## The Attempt at a Solution

Well I decided to start with the simplest calculation first - Determining a molecular mass by dividing the given mass by the given amount of mmols. This provided me with 58.46 g/mol, which doesn't match any known amino acid weights.

So now I'm thinking that the pH range provided during the titration is supposed to be a hint, but I can't quite figure out its relevance. I'm really just looking for a tip in the right direction here

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## Homework Statement

7.39 mmol of base was used when titrating 432 mg of a monoamine monocarboxylic amino acid from pH 0.8 to 12.0. What is the name of the amino acid?

## Homework Equations

None I suppose. Henderson-Hasselbalch perhaps, but I don't see how that helps me No it doesn't.

## The Attempt at a Solution

Well I decided to start with the simplest calculation first - Determining a molecular mass by dividing the given mass by the given amount of mmols. This provided me with 58.46 g/mol, which doesn't match any known amino acid weights.

So now I'm thinking that the pH range provided during the titration is supposed to be a hint, but I can't quite figure out its relevance. I'm really just looking for a tip in the right direction here

Does any amino acid have only one titratable group?

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That's a very unusual amino acid to have a native pH of 0.8! Are you sure this problem isn't a titration of a hydrochloride salt of an amino acid? If that's the case your analysis needs to account for the FW of the hydrochloride salt of the amino acid rather than it's free base.

Youngster
That's a very unusual amino acid to have a native pH of 0.8! Are you sure this problem isn't a titration of a hydrochloride salt of an amino acid? If that's the case your analysis needs to account for the FW of the hydrochloride salt of the amino acid rather than it's free base.

I probably should have specified that. The amino acid was dissolved in 0.2 N HCl. So the amine group is probably protonated, and the overall charge is +1

Does any amino acid have only one titratable group?

No. It should have at least two titratable groups

Mentor
I probably should have specified that. The amino acid was dissolved in 0.2 N HCl. So the amine group is probably protonated, and the overall charge is +1

Then you should take into account amount of base required to titrate HCl.

Something doesn't add up. Have you listed all the information you are given?

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No. It should have at least two titratable groups

Your calculation appears implicitly based on 1

Youngster
Alright well, I've tried something else. Starting with the equation for the reaction:

H2X + 2NaOH → Na2X + 2H2O

Where X is the amino acid. The equation states that 2 moles of base titrates 1 mole of amino acid.

Assuming the change from pH 0.8 to pH 12.0 is the full titration (meaning the both the carboxyl group and the amino group are deprotonated), 7.39 mmol was used in the ionization of the entire amino acid.

So 3.70 mmol of amino acid was titrated by the 7.39 mmol of base. A molecular weight can be obtained by dividing the mass of the amino acid by the moles titrated:

$\frac{432 mg amino acid}{3.70 mmol amino acid}$ = 117 $mg/mmol$

This molecular weight corresponds with valine, which also fits the description of a monoamine monocarboxylic amino acid.

Does this appear to be reasonable?

Youngster
Then you should take into account amount of base required to titrate HCl.

Something doesn't add up. Have you listed all the information you are given?

Sorry, it seems the 0.2 N HCl information only applies to my actual lab data. The question above is what I assume to be a practice calculation to be done with my lab data

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:

$\frac{432 mg amino acid}{3.70 mmol amino acid}$ = 117 $mg/mmol$

This molecular weight corresponds with valine, which also fits the description of a monoamine monocarboxylic amino acid.

Does this appear to be reasonable?

Yes it does. And I have just noticed that the question itself gives you the suggestion of the point you previously missed since it specifies "monoamine monocarboxylic amino acid".

I am not very comfortable with your chemical symbology and think you would be showing more understanding if you wrote the ionic forms, that you are going from RCHNH3+COOH to RCHNH2COO-

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Then you should take into account amount of base required to titrate HCl.

Something doesn't add up. Have you listed all the information you are given?

Sorry, it seems the 0.2 N HCl information only applies to my actual lab data. The question above is what I assume to be a practice calculation to be done with my lab data

we can't work out what you don't tell us. Is this lab data, or is it a made up problem as I have assumed?

Youngster
I am not very comfortable with your chemical symbology and think you would be showing more understanding if you wrote the ionic forms, that you are going from RCHNH3+COOH to RCHNH2COO-

Ah, yes. I apologize for that. I'll be more specific next time.

we can't work out what you don't tell us. Is this lab data, or is it a made up problem as I have assumed?

This is a made up problem that goes along with a lab assignment.

To elaborate, the 0.2 N HCl information goes along with my titration curve below:

As far as I know, the actual amino acid unknown solution was prepared by dissolving 4.5g of the unknown amino acid in 300mL of 0.2 N HCl.

The titration, however, only used 20 mL of the solution.

Currently, I'm at a loss, because the technically one equivalent of OH should be used to titrate one of the ionizable groups of the amino acid. At 2 equivalents, however, there doesn't appear to be any rise in pH. I'm beginning to wonder if the amino acid above is actually triprotic.

Mentor
As far as I know, the actual amino acid unknown solution was prepared by dissolving 4.5g of the unknown amino acid in 300mL of 0.2 N HCl.

The titration, however, only used 20 mL of the solution.

If so, you titrated 20 mL of 0.2 N HCl and 20/300*4.5 g of the amino acid. But 20/300*4.5 is 0.3 g, not 0.432 g. Plus, you have not used 7.39 mmol of NaOH to neutralize the aminoacid, but 7.39-20*0.2=3.39 mmol.

Perhaps - if the question is made up - information about initial pH is simply wrong and put there without a second thought. Generally speaking valine looks reasonable, it just doesn't fit rest of the information.

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At 2 equivalents, however, there doesn't appear to be any rise in pH. I'm beginning to wonder if the amino acid above is actually triprotic.

Yes I think I know what you mean. The opposite of what you say - there is a very steep rise in pH there.

I'm beginning to wonder if the amino acid above is actually triprotic.
That would normally be a good question, however both what you are told and your experimental data say diprotic.

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If so, you titrated 20 mL of 0.2 N HCl and 20/300*4.5 g of the amino acid. But 20/300*4.5 is 0.3 g, not 0.432 g. Plus, you have not used 7.39 mmol of NaOH to neutralize the aminoacid, but 7.39-20*0.2=3.39 mmol.

Perhaps - if the question is made up - information about initial pH is simply wrong and put there without a second thought. Generally speaking valine looks reasonable, it just doesn't fit rest of the information.

I don't agree. There are two inflection points. The first one is the HCl titration at ~1 "Equivalents NaOH", whatever that means in this case. Is it 40 grams? I don't think so. The second inflection point is the ammonium proton. The difference between these two peaks should be the amount of base corresponding to the monoamine monocarboxylic acid, right?

What is presented isn't data. It is partially-reduced data without an explanation. Raw data would be presented as pH vs volume. Equivalents of base means nothing without an understanding of the underlying assumptions.

What is meant by "Equivalents NaOH"?

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Yes I think I know what you mean. The opposite of what you say - there is a very steep rise in pH there.

Shome confushion, sorry.