# Differential equation

1. Jul 7, 2004

### denian

if y = e^(2x) . ( ax + b ), when a and b is constant find dy/dx and dee 2 y dee x squared.

i already find the answer for this part and it is correct.
dy/dx = e^(2x) . (2ax + 2b + a )
and
dee two y dee x squared is equal to
4e^(2x) . (ax + b + a )

this is the second part of the question which im not able to solve. tried substitute the derivative value in to the equation below, but the equation is getting more complex. any hint?

find values of constants p adn q such that
dee two y dee x squared + p ( dy / dx ) + qy = 0
for all values of a and b

any hint?

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2. Jul 7, 2004

### wisky40

try to use m_1=m_2 and you'll get p=-4 and q=4, I'm not sure how do you say that in english, but in my language people call it roots of multiplicity.

3. Jul 7, 2004

### denian

but i never learnt the method u mentioned.

4. Jul 7, 2004

### denian

double checked...
no typo.

5. Jul 7, 2004

### Hurkyl

Staff Emeritus
Are you trying to say

$$\frac{d^2y}{dx^2}$$

?

It's pronounced "d squared y ..." not "d two y ..."

Anyways, did you try to do anything with the equation once you substituted?

6. Jul 7, 2004

### denian

once i substituted, i try to factorise - stuck in the middle.
i try to expand it - found it no use..

bout the d2y/dx2, im sorry. but the book here im using teach me to pronounce it that way.

7. Jul 7, 2004

### Hurkyl

Staff Emeritus
Do you know what you are trying to do with the equation? For instance, if I told you that $m x e^x + n e^x = 0$ for all x, what could you tell me about m and n?

Oh, and just to let you know, I think most people would interpret

"d 2 y d x squared" as saying:

$$\left(\frac{d(2y)}{dx}\right)^2$$

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8. Jul 7, 2004

### denian

well, will that mean m = 0 and n = 0 ?
im not sure.

9. Jul 7, 2004

### Hurkyl

Staff Emeritus
Right; in my example, the equation can only be true if m = n = 0.

Can you apply this idea to your problem?

10. Jul 8, 2004

### denian

sorry, hurkyl. i need more guidance.

do u mean i should do this?
4 ( ax + b + a ) = 0
p ( 2ax + 2b + a ) = 0
q ( ax + b ) = 0

??

11. Jul 8, 2004

### denian

i still cannot get it.

12. Jul 8, 2004

### ehild

Insert the derivatives in (*), omit e^(2x), you get a first order polynomial of x that should be identically zero. That can be valid only if both the coefficient of x and the constant term are zero. That means two eguations for p and q in terms of the constants a and b.

13. Jul 8, 2004

### denian

alrite. i solved the question. thank you Hurkyl, ehild and wisky!